| Author | Message | ||
     John Unregistered guest |
Dear Travelsur, I came across your web page while researching Argentine polo. I think I would like to visit la Argentina for several weeks over the upcoming holidays, or more likely, during the Easter holiday. Can you assist me in planning a trip? I was very taken by the description of El Rincon. Are there similar rancherias near Buenos Aires? Or any other place that is quiet. I would even be open to a remote, scenic location. I speak Spanish, am a bit rusty, and would prefer to be not to be around too many English-speaking tourists. If I’m asking too much or if my inquiry is misdirected, please tell me I’ve lost my mind. Truth is I’ve wanted to visit Argentina for as long as I can recall. Perhaps my window of opportunity is open! John from San Francisco | ||
| roberto Unregistered guest |
Dear John, you will be out of your mind if you DO NOT visit Argentina. Yes, this is a great time to visit considering the very favorable rate of exchange. I'd say, the best opportunity ever for a foreigner. You can ask all the questions you want. There are a few other choices regarding 'polo' and ranches, but El Rincon is possibly the best. If you are just interested in ranches in general, then, your choices widen considerably and many of these choices will provide you with a 'quiet' stay in somewhat remote, non-traditional locations, a couple of hundreds miles away from Buenos Aires, like 'Sierra de la Ventana' or even in San Antonio de Areco, much closer. My best advice is that you contact us again begining 2005 and we will be able to take care of all your travel needs in Argentina. We can definitely help you arrange a 'polo' or a 'ranch' trip anywhere in our Country. Hope to hear from you! | ||
| ryan rooney New member Username: Ryan60614 Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2005 |
I am planning a trip from the US to Argentina in November. I am going with my girlfriend and all we have planned right now is arriving in Buenos Aires Nov 17th and leaving the 28th. We don't want to spend a lot of money flying to other places, but we do want to get out of B.A. and see some other things. Is Iguazu possible? How expensive to get there? We thought about a trip to Montevideo? Worthwhile? Any suggestions you could give would be great.We also have the following choices of hotels for our stay in B.A.. Which would you recommend. We are 27 and 31 and like to go out a lot. Golden Tulip Savoy Aspen Suites Plaza San Martin Suites Melia Buenos Aries Boutique Abasto Plaza Aspen Towers Hotel Any you would stay away from? It is an already paid for package on United. I'd also be interested in going to a football match while there if there is a big one. | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 28 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Ryan and welcome. That time of the year is usually great! It is still not too hot and humidity is nowhere around so it is very pleasant. The trip to Iguazu is one of the most economical ones and also it is at the top when considering the most bang for your bucks. At present, we are offering a 3 nights package at a 5 star hotel for about $450/480 per person, all included (roundtrip, accomodations, excursions, breakfast plus one other meal {either supper or lunch}, all transfers in Iguazu {not in Buenos Aires} and taxes. The prices in November will most likely be different but this can give you an idea. The trip is phenomenal in that it includes a ride on a rubber boat under the falls plus 2 or 3 other excursions. As for you choices of hotels I'd say you may not be as happy in the Savoy as you might be in the Aspen Towers or the Plaza San Martin (I know the area because I lived there). The savoy is close to the Congress and this increases the risks of 'strike marchs' and stuff. The Abasto choice is unusual and a bit different but I am not entirely comfortable with that neighborhood. It gets a little funny at night. The Melia is fairly good and throughout the day it can be fine but during weekends may be a poor choice since it is in the middle of the financial district. The Melia, Aspen suites, Aspen Towers and the Plaza San Martin are all close to each other. The Melia is the closest to Puerto Madero and this is its main advantage but the other 3 are located in nicer. more residential areas and since they are only 10 minutes away from Puerto Madero there is little difference. My personal choices are Aspen Towers, then Plaza San Martin and then Aspen suites. For pictures of Buenos Aires you can visit Buenos Aires pictures. (Message edited by admin on March 30, 2006) | ||
| Amos Unregistered guest |
Greetings. I have about 10 days to travel in Argentina in July before spending 3 weeks in Cordoba. I speak Spanish and would like to see some of the country (especially rural areas) without spending too much time on the road. I'll be arriving in Buenos Aires. Also, I will be visiting Iguazu Falls and Mendoza later. Do you have any suggested itinerary? Also, can I travel to Patagonia in July or is it too cold? | ||
| Roberto Unregistered guest |
Hello Amos and welcome. Yes, Patagonia is going to be cold in July but it is such a vast region that it will be necessary to determine which places in Patagonia you may want to visit. Some areas have a lot more harsh weather than others. In all cases, you should be comfortable with snow and cold days. As for an itinerary we would need to know exactly your scheduled activities. If you arrive in Buenos Aires and have 10 days to spare before engaging in your trip to Cordoba, then, I would recommend staying around the area of La Pampa and Entre Rios. In both states, including Buenos Aires, you will have ample opportunity to become acquainted with the flatlands (pampas) and the countryside. For specific itineraries I advice you to contact Erna in our Buenos Aires office at erna@travelsur.net. | ||
| Shirley Unregistered guest |
Hi, I am currently looking for accomodation for a group of 4 persons in Nov 2005 for around 4-5 nights in BA. We are on budget and are looking for accom no more than 15 USD per person per night. Are open to staying at B&B, homestays, hostels or rented short term apartments. Can you suggest some properties that we can look into? Also, which area in BA would you recommend? (Safety is our greatest concern followed by being close to transport and shops). I have been looking for places around either San Martin Plaza or San Telmo. Also we would want to do some side trips from BA. One of them to Iguazu, would 3 days 2 nights be sufficient? Is it easy to organise for side trips once we are in BA? Where is the best place to go to in BA? Thanks for your help. | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 72 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Shirley, we have had bad experiences with low budget hotels in Buenos Aires. Every time we recommended or booked rooms for, say students in a budget, in 3 stars hotels at about USD $25 per person we found out that passengers were not happy and then wanted either a refund or move to another location. It is my experience that it may be difficult -at least for us- to find a location that is safe enough, lively enough and cheap enough. Most likely, if it is safe, surrounded by shops, restaurants and malls, it won't be dirt cheap. So briefly, we are not presently recommending such low range price accomodations anymore. There might be some *interesting* BBs in the San Telmo area for that price but then, the neighborhood may score poorly when it comes to safety. You may want to email this person mike@apartmentsba.com and try to find out if there are any apartments that may be more competitive in price. His name is Michael Koh. Very safe areas won't be cheap, as La Recoleta, Barrio Norte or Retiro (Plaza San Martin). You should try to find an apartment in Palermo neighborhood. It will be safe and relatively inexpensive as well as close to everything. Yes, you can organize a short trip to Iguazu while you are here and yes, 2 nights will suffice. There are many travel agents that can do this for you including us. I am not sure what you mean exactly by 'the best place to go in Buenos Aires'... Is this for dinning? for walks? for shopping? | ||
| Viviane Unregistered guest |
Looking at your letters Buenos Aires does not appear to be very safe, we will be travelling with a choir of 40 people and singing in different parts of the country. Sould I be concerned about the safety of my group, they are all in their 60. we are also going to La Plata, can you give us some tips? | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 87 Registered: 12-2004 |
Viviane, 'crime' conditions have improved markedly in the recent past. Since Argentina's debacle 4 years ago when crime was rampant, the country has been under steady progress. Better labor markets and improved personal income has helped in lowering crime rates. This is not to say that Buenos Aires has become a really safe place. There are still many pockets of poverty -some very large- and personal income is still a far cry from what it used to be 5 to 10 years ago. But I would say that if you take normal precautions and remain alert, there should be no problems. A group of 40 whose age is above 60 should always remain together and should always be on the alert since it might be an easier prey anywhere they travel. Also, tourism has been on the rise in the last 3 years. The expanded contact and experience handling foreigners (by locals) should make your trip safe enough. As for La Plata, the same recommendations apply. (Message edited by admin on December 31, 2005) | ||
| Viviane Unregistered guest |
Dear Roberto many thanks for your reply, I found this site most useful and very interesting, very often some of the questions by others have given me an answer, without having to ask. We now have decided to saty in a Safe area of BA, and when the group tour is finished plan to go to Salta and Jujuy for a week,thanks to your website. We have taken note of your advise and we are sure that we will enjoy your country. | ||
| Cathy MacKinnon Unregistered guest |
I am considering a trip to Argentina with my husband and 6 year old daughter in late February, 2006. We would have about 10 days. I don't know where to start. Any ideas for an itinerary? Thanks a lot. | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 119 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Cathy and welcome. Feb. will be a good time to visit the beaches. I recommend that any itinerary you work on includes at least one of the beaches. Considering your child's age I would also recommend a smaller, family-oriented one such as Carilo, perhaps Pinamar if Carilo ends up being too small. In a 10 days trip that includes Buenos Aires and a beach you may still have time for one more destination. This other destination will largely depend on the kind of experiences you are looking to have. Will your family enjoy more seeing wild animals in their habitats? Would the country and wine tours be more appealing? How about beautiful landscapes and lakes in southern Argentina (Bariloche)? You can explore these destinations in our website or other sites online. Look for Bariloche (south of Argentina), Puerto Madryn (in Chubut) or Mendoza (to the west) for that 3rd destination. Your trip may look like this: 3 nights Buenos Aires. 3 nights Bariloche or Puerto Madryn or Mendoza. 3 nights Carilo or Pinamar. 1 night Buenos Aires. --- 10 nights | ||
| NA Unregistered guest |
Hi, my husband and I, along with one other couple, are visiting Buenos Aires for a week during end of November 2005. We are starting to educate ourselves about the city and the country and know nothing (except the great exchange rate and welcoming locals)but have been recommended by many to visit. We are looking for a luxury vacation - what 5-stars do you recommend. I was considering Park Towers, Marriott Plaza - any others that are recommended? We like food and wine, some touristy stuff - any other cities recommended or is BA enough to keep us busy for a week? Any wine tours or wine regions available? Any tips would be appreciated. Many thanks in advance, NA | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 125 Registered: 12-2004 |
NA, I think November is a great time to visit Mendoza. Perhaps you can spend 3 nights there and do some wine tours and enjoy great nature. This would be ideal. 5 stars Hotels in Buenos Aires Sheraton Libertador (Cordoba 690) Sheraton Buenos Aires (San Martin 1225) Hotel Madero by Sofitel (Rosario Vera Peñaloza 360) Hilton (Macacha Gomez 351) NH City (Bolivar 160) Caesar Park (Posadas 1232) Sofitel (Arroyo 841) Alvear Palace (Av. Alvear 1891) Four Seasons (Posadas 1086) Intercontinental (Moreno 809) Mansion Dandi Royal (Piedras 922) Feir's Park (Esmeralda 1366) From all of the above, Four Seasons and Alvear Palace are the most classic. The last 2 are off the beaten path. I kind of like Caesar Park though. (Message edited by admin on September 14, 2005) | ||
| Tanya Unregistered guest |
Hi Myself and 3 other girls are travelling Argentina next week. We are planning on spending the first week travelling by bus around the country returning to Buenos Aires in the second week. We are thinking of going by bus from Buenos Aires to Rosario, then Cordoba, then San Luis and finally Mendosa, returning to BA by plane. Is this too much in 1 week? Were should we leave in/take out? Any tips would be appreciated. Many thanks in advance, Tanya | ||
| Jason Phillips New member Username: Jep677 Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2005 |
We are coming to Argentina in Dec/Jan (12/17-1/7) for three weeks, planning on spending one week in BA and surounding area for day trips, and considering going to Mendoza, Bariloche, Peninsula Valdez, and Puerto Madryn. Is this too much for a three week period? I'm confused about the best way to get to place to place, and in what order - any advice? Also confused about the Argentina Air Pass - we are flying via American Airlines into Argentina; can we purchase an air pass separately? If not, what flights should we buy, or what is a better option to do via bus? Can we purchase the South American Pass (perhaps flying to Uruguay or Chile to meet the two country requirement?). Thanks, Jason | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 134 Registered: 12-2004 |
Tanya, Rosario/Cordoba are fairly short trips and are on the same route. I would leave San Luis out and go straight to Mendoza. Still, this may be too much bus traveling for one week. Just getting to Mendoza from Buenos Aires will take anywhere from 12 to 15 hours depending on the bus company. For a relaxed trip I would only visit Rosario and Mendoza. | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 135 Registered: 12-2004 |
Jason, yes, you might be able to hit all those destinations with carefull planning. I am not an expert on air passes but my limited knowledge tells me you can only buy this from abroad and if your incoming airliner is Argentine Airlines. But don't take my word. Things keep changing. Try to find the nearest argentine airlines office in your area and ask them. Generally speaking, air passes have limitations in that all airports will count as one destination. This is a disadvantage inside Argentine for most destinations, if not all, require a Buenos Aires connection. An air pass may end up costing you more if you have delays in airports or get an odd number of them because of the BA flights (Bue - Men - Bue - Bariloche - Bue) is an example of 5 destinations. I would get the Mendoza part of your trip out of the way by bus, on an executive coach with 180 degree beds and dinner/breakfast service. Then, once back in Buenos Aires I would fly Bue-Bariloche-trelew-Bue, to visit Bariloche and Puerto Madryn (Peninsula Valdes is part of the P.Madryn visit and also bear in mind there will be a BA connection in the middle). As for days, we usually recommend a minimum of: Mendoza 3 nights Bariloche 4 nights Puerto Madryn 3 nights So you have plenty of time to add days to each destination. | ||
| Susan Brady Unregistered guest |
Dear Travelsur, I am travelling to Argentina, arriving on December 3rd 2005 into Buenos Aires. I would like to spend 4 days in Buenos Aires initially and then fly to Patagonia, I would like to spend 5 days there, very keen to see the glaciers. What do you recommend for an itinerary there? There are 2 of us travelling, on a budget/ mid price range. We would like some sunshine before a return to BA, is it possible to combine the wine and sun regions over 6 days? We would like to do a trip to Iguazu at the end. Can you advise on any good hostels in Buenos Aires also or mid range hotels? | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 169 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Susan, most visitors go to El Calafate in Santa Cruz province where they have a chance to experience a couple of glaciers, namely, Perito Moreno and Upsala. The glaciers can be covered in 3 days. You can fly straight to EL Calafate from Buenos Aires. If you want to explore deep patagonia then you can also combine this trip with Ushuaia, in Tierra del Fuego. There, you can visit the national park. This may take another 2 days. I am afraid that even if you add one day to make it a total of 6 you may be short of time for another destination, such as Mendoza, the west andean region of Argentina where you will be able to visit wineries and enjoy sunny days. And there won't be time for Iguazu either. These are the standard times recommended for visiting each location: Iguazu: 2 nights minimum Mendoza: 3 nights minimum Calafate: 3 nights Ushuaia: 2 nights You can cut time on each but your trip will become stressful. Flying to each location might involve connecting through Buenos Aires, therefore a great deal of time spent on an airplane. We are not very familiar with hostels, however, you can still get good rates, clean rooms and decent customer service in the average 4 star hotels. Prices may range from USD $60/85 a night. Hotel Wilton in Santa Fe Ave. is one example but there are many. If you walk through 'retiro' neighborhood, Suipacha street or Marcelo T. de Alvear street you can find several hotels in this range (Conquistador). Typically, hotels rooms in 4 star hotels are smaller than what americans are used to. We have had a few customers staying at 3 star hotels ending up disppointed even though we adviced against. Motel 8 type of lodge that have comfortable, spatious rooms at very convenient rates is something that does not exist here. | ||
| Susan Brady Unregistered guest |
Hi there, thanks for your last mail, that was very helpful. We actually have 3 weeks to spend in Argentina, in terms of planning a trip, 4 days in Buenos Aires, would you go to Mendoza or Patagonia next? In which order would be better. I deally we would like to visit somewhere on the east coast on the way back to BA and then Iguazu as last port of call before heading to Rio. Realistically we have 15 days to do BA, Mendoza, Patagonia and a beach resort before heading to BA to go to Iguazu and Rio. Would that be enough time to do the 4 destinations? What would be the best order to do that in? Susan | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 170 Registered: 12-2004 |
I would do this: Buenos Aires Mendoza Ushuaia Calafate Beach Iguazu This is what makes most sense since you will be going from hot weather to cold and back to hot. In order for the transition to be mild, Mendoza should be your second stop. Then head to southern patagonia. On your way back you can *climatize* again by stopping at one of the beaches before heading back to Buenos Aires to prepare for your departure to Iguazu. (Message edited by admin on October 11, 2005) | ||
| justin model Unregistered guest |
I am traveling to Argentina in November and have a few extra days in Buenos Aires. Are there any day (or overnight) trips you recommend? How easy is it to get to Uruguay? What about a Polo match/ranch visit? | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 180 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Justin, all those short trips/visits will be worth your time. The different dates for Polo open tournaments are as follows: Tortugas 27 Sept to 15 Oct Hurlingham 18 Oct to 5 Nov Argentine Open 19 Nov to 10 Dec It looks like you might be able to make it to the Argentine Open. Traveling to Uruguay for the day or an overnight stay is *highly* recommended. It is also very easy. All you need to do is go to the port terminal where BUQUEBUS departs and purchase a ferry ticket to your preferred destination. I would go for 'Colonia del Sacramento' and perhaps consider a one night stay. Don't forget you can also spend a day/or night in a very nice Estancia in the outskirts of Buenos Aires. In addition, there are a few new services that you may want to try like an all-day trip/visit through the islands of El Tigre. Santiago Bengolea who sometimes participates here offers this service. You can search for BarbaCharters on the internet or read this thread to learn more. I will think of a few more *alternative* options later tonight. | ||
| Danie van Vuuren Unregistered guest |
Hi, I'm touring B.A. with the Springboks (rugby) from South Africa from 2-10 November 2005. I'll have about 3 days free after the match on Saturday and want to see some other parts of Argentina. I love nature, what would you suggest in such a short time? Thanks! | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 182 Registered: 12-2004 |
Danie, if you love nature and are also fond of animal life I'd suggest a 3 nights visit to Puerto Madryn in Chubut. There, you can visit Peninsula Valdes and Punta Tombo and be in close proximity to sea lions, sea wolves, penguins, hundreds of bird species and perhaps have the chance to spot some orcas too. It is also possible to take a whale watching trip at this time of the year before the whales go back into deep ocean. This is an easy trip flying from BA to Trelew. | ||
| justin model Unregistered guest |
Thanks a lot. this is really helpful | ||
| Paul Unregistered guest |
Hi Roberto, I'm travelling to Argentina in January, arriving the 3rd and flying back the 30th. I might visit surrounding countries as well. Would love to spend some substantial time in BA and visit some hot spots in the rest of the country. Animal life, wine region and some nice beaches (Some friends recommended Uruguay - Punta Este ?) . Could you advise me ? Would also be interested to get some advice on nice hotels in BA (I love charming or design hotels, with good price/quality ratio). Thansk so much for your help. Paul | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 186 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Paul, we could only log back to the forum today because of hurricane Wilma, hence, the delay. Briefly, our recommendations for those hot spots are as follows: 1) Animal life > Peninsula Valdes and Punta Tombo in Chubut. You must travel to Puerto Madryn and take the excursions to these sites. 2) Wine tours > Mendoza. Although there are other wine growing regions in Argentina, such as San Juan or Cafayate (even La Rioja) we believe that Mendoza offers the most bang for your buck. There are not only a good variety of wineries you can visit -large ones for popular consumption or the small ones that produce some of our greatest fine bottled wines- but also outdoor activities that you can pursue like mountaneering, hiking, riding horses, rafting or just visiting museums. For details on Mendoza you can check the museums in Mendoza thread. 3) Beaches > yes, Punta del este is a very good choice. If you are looking for a similar beach in Buenos Aires you can research Pinamar. For a more family-oriented setting look into Carilo. We know just but a few designer hotels in BA that some of our passengers have praised: Art Hotel and Bobo hotel. There may be a few more but these two have had good reviews from our clients. As any designer hotel, they are a departure from traditional accomodations but we feel comfortable recommending them. | ||
| Susan Brady Unregistered guest |
Hi, I would like to go to a football match while I in Buenos Aires. I think that there is a match on Dec 4th. How/where do I organise tickets? Also, do you know how would I get information on a 1 night overnight in an estancia near to Buenos Aires? Is there an inclusive trip that you can do? If so where can I get information? | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 196 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Susan, there is an office that specializes in *soccer tourism* here. They can be reached at agencias@tangol.com or by phone at 4312-7276. They offer a complete package picking up passengers 2 hours prior to a game and they would only purchase the medium price tickets securing safe places in the stadium. As for an overnight stay in a ranch, you can try Erna Rosenfeld at erna@speedy.com.ar. She works with several estancias about 60 to 80 miles away from Buenos Aires. She can arrange a complete package as well, including transfer back and to the estancia. (Message edited by admin on December 31, 2005) | ||
| Lisa Unregistered guest |
Hi Roberto! We are two girls from Moscow, Russia travelling to Argentina in February 2006. We arrive to Buenos Aires on Feb 6 and go back on Feb 19. Our original plan is: 2 nights in Iguazu, 3 nights in lake district (Bariloche), 2 nights in Villa Gessel (as both the ocean and the sun are only a dream in Russia) and of course Buenos Aires! Could you please advice whether this is a realistic plan for a 13-day trip? Is there any direct flight from Iguazu to Bariloche and what are the approximate air fares for the selected destinations? How one can move around in the lake district? Is is cheaper to book the trips beforehand or better fares may be offerred when we arrive in Argentina? Sorry for asking so many questions all at once and thanks a lot in advance! | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 212 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Lisa, yes, your plan is very realistic. At this time a ticket Bue-Igua-Bue is about usd $240 per person and the Bue-Baril-Bue is approx usd $330. However, if you combine all legs in one trip such as Bue-Igu-Bue-Baril-Bue this may be cheaper. There are no direct flights from Igu to Baril that I know of. Flights connect in Buenos Aires. In Bariloche, you can always rent a car. There is a lot to see and you should get a map before hand, however, most visitors just go for the excursions which are pretty neat. I advice to book flights in advance. Although some destinations have many daily flights like Iguazu, they have become very popular as of late and you don't want to face delays. Most travel agents should be able to book tickets for you at no charge so there are no advantages in waiting till you get to Buenos Aires, unless you are not sure when you want to visit those destinations. | ||
| HeatherLandi Unregistered guest |
Hi. My husband and I are thinking about taking a trip to Buenos Aires in January or February for a week. We'd like to take a side trip to a beach area, but we don't want to spend 5 hours on a bus or train. I've read about Pinamar. How far is it to Pinamar and how long does a bus or train take to get there? What are the closest beach areas to Buenos Aires? Thanks! Heather | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 240 Registered: 12-2004 |
Heather, the closest beaches you can find south of Buenos Aires city are all located in an area called "Partido de la costa" which extends for approximately 60 miles and is 200 miles away from BA. Starts at "Bahia de Samborombón" and ends on the northern part of Pinamar, which is located south of this region. El Partido de la Costa is comprise of 12/15 smaller beach counties: (the more active ones) San Clemente del Tuyú, Santa Teresita, Mar de Ajó, San Bernardo, (the quieter ones) Las Toninas, Costa Chica, Mar del Tuyú, Costa del este, Aguas Verdes, La Lucila del Mar, Costa Azul, Nueva Atlantís, Pinar del Sol, Costa Esmeralda. Accesing these beaches is pretty easy through county roads 12, 63, 36 and 11 and via the "interbalnearias" roads. There are numerours buses doing this route and you can expect at least a 3 hours drive. I am afraid you have no options regarding the time you must travel to get to the beaches. Bear in mind that Pinamar is still further south. (Message edited by admin on December 09, 2005) (Message edited by admin on December 09, 2005) | ||
| Ignacio Unregistered guest |
Hi Roberto, I am planning a 10 day trip to Argentina in late March. I've been looking for travel arragements for a three leg itinerary and found very expensive prices. I'd like to do a BA- Calafate-Ushuaia-BA trip (not necesarily in that order) and I don't know how much is a reasonable price to pay. My other option is to forget about Patagonia and Tierra de Fuego and head up to the northwest. I know 10 days is not much and I don't want to try to cover too many areas. I've also been told not to spend too many days in BA. What do you think? Thanks in advance, you have a very helpful board. Ignacio | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 251 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Ignacio, Buenos Aires has a lot to offer. But the same goes for Patagonia and the northwest. The only way to determine which destinations are right for you is to first establish what kind of trip you have in mind. This only you know. You must define what experiences you want out of your trip. Since the chosen destinations are highly different this should not be difficult. In Patagonia, you will see jaw-dropping landscapes, specially the glaciers in Calafate. Northwest provinces are radically different and their landscapes are all about ravines and desert land. Northwest provinces, specially Jujuy, have another distinction. They belonged (in part) to the Incaic empire so there is a bit of history to them which makes them really interesting. Buenos Aires is a world on its own and to fully explore it may even take longer than the time you are alloting for this trip. BA is a very cosmopolitan place where you can get lost just by trying all the different great restaurants... So perhaps some homework is in order before you can decide how to distribute your travel dates. As a guidance, a flight BA-Calafate-Ushuaia-BA should be less than usd $400 per person, taxes included. | ||
| claudia garcia Unregistered guest |
Hi, I am arriving in B. A. on December 25th and dearting on Jan 4th, 2006. I have reserved the MArriott Plaza for 12/25-12/27 and boquitas pintadas Jan 2-4th. I would love to explore the Patagonia (wildlife and glaciers) but also feel tempted by Punta del este. Everything seems to be booked. What do you recommended? I am traveling by myself... Thanks, Claudia | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 256 Registered: 12-2004 |
Claudia, not sure what to tell you. It's a bit late to the game. My advise of last resort would be to contact Erna at erna@speedy.comn.ar and see if she has anything available for a short trip to Ushuaia / Calafate / Peninsula Valdes or the beaches. (Message edited by admin on December 22, 2005) | ||
| BIBOLLINI Unregistered guest |
Hi, I am going to Argentina, Buenos Aires tomorrow for 2 weeks! I need someone who is there to travel with me! I would not like to be alone, so pllleeeaassee call!! BIBA from Croatia! | ||
| Jane Pat New member Username: Jane Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2006 |
My husband and I are planning to visit Argentina in from April 28th to May 6th? Flying into BA. appreciate your suggestions on the itinerary. we have seen Iguazu from Brazil side. so we were thinking of heading south to Ushuaia to do El Tren del Fin del Mundo. wondering if we can do a beach as well during that time? is the weather good for that? and what other cities are a must see- prefer some warm climate. we would also like to spend some time in buenos aires. appreciate suggestion on things to do in BA too. Thanks in advance. Jane | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 284 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Jane, weather varies depending on where you go... Argentina stretches vertically on a map so northern weather is quite different than what you can experience in the south. By beginning of May you will probably get some cold weather in Ushuaia, not the coldest conditions of say, July/August but cold nonetheless, if you were looking for a somewhat warmer vacation time. As for beaches, unless you visit Las Grutas in Rio Negro that may still have some warm waters due to some of the incoming ocean streams, I am afraid you won't have any warm days in any of the most popular beaches south of Buenos Aires. If you prefer warmer climate you may have to think twice about visiting deep patagonia at that time of the year. Just my 2C. | ||
| Catherine Anderson Unregistered guest |
Hi, Roberto. I will be visitng Argentina (from the UK) for about three weeks from 13 March (my daughter is studying at UBA). I plan to visit Buenos Aires, including a trip to Colonia and Tigre; I would also like to visit Mendoza, Salta and Jujuy, and Iguazu. As that is a lot to see in 3 weeks, I will need to take flights for some of these journeys, but would like if possible to avoid having each time to return to BA. I believe there are flights certain days of the week between Mendoza and Cordoba, and Cordoba and Salta, which would help. Otherwise the bus for the shorter journeys. If you have any suggestions as to the most "rational" way of doing this, it would be very helpful. Should I get an airpass? I would also like to go horse-trekking for 3 or 4 days, from Mendoza, Cordoba or possibly Salta. Have you any suggestions? | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 287 Registered: 12-2004 |
Catherine, an airpass will probably eat some legs while connecting in Buenos Aires and having to buy the coupons abroad may make it more expensive in the end. Argentine Airlines does some short legs non-stop, but that is about it. You can double check with them... CORDOBA / SALTA non-stop (Mondays and Thursdays) just a daily flight at around noon. (12:40 - 13:50) CORDOBA / MENDOZA non-stop (Mondays, Tuesdays and Saturdays) one flight a day on different schedules. If you have all these destinations (Bue, Cor, Salta, Mendoza and Iguazu) and three weeks, you may have enough time to take flights that will include the Buenos Aires connection. It looks as if the only saving you can make is by landing first in Cordoba and then choosing either Salta or Mendoza as your second destination but after this you may have no other alternative but to fly back to Buenos Aires for the rest of the destinations... Bue > Cordoba > Mendoza > Bue > Iguazu > Bue > Salta. Or Bue > Cordoba > Salta > Bue > Iguazu > Bue > Mendoza. In this case, you can just do the Bue/Mendoza/Bue by bus. An easy overnight trip in an executive coach (with sleeping beds). If another agent provides you with a different solution please post it here since many people ask about saving legs in a trip with many destinations... | ||
| Catherine Anderson Unregistered guest |
Will do.Many thanks, Roberto | ||
| danny bush New member Username: Danny Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2006 |
Hi. My wife and I are planning a trip for about 2 weeks in late December. We are having a hard time deciding where to go. Here is what we are thinking right now in the order we would travel: Parque National Torres Del Paine Calafate Peninsual Valdes BA Salta leave out of BA Is this too many places for 2 weeks, especially considering the difficulty of travel in Patagonia. If it is, what would you recommend cutting out? Are there places not on the list you think we should go to? thanks | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 314 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Danny, I think Salta is out of tune in your list. If you visit Torres del Paine national park in Chile then Calafate, then Peninsula Valdes to finally arrive in Buenos Aires you will have a great overview of patagonia (east, west and deep south) in addition to visiting the city of Buenos Aires. This can be done in a two weeks period without any problems. | ||
| javier Garcia Poquet New member Username: Javiogarcia Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2006 |
danny bush: About travelling trough Patagonia I recomend you buying a van or a pick up and at the end of your trip, I can help you in the 2 topics. Specially in recovering your bought. Regards, Javier | ||
| Riyad Anabtawi New member Username: Riyada Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2005 |
Javier How can you help in buying a van ? | ||
| dumbo Unregistered guest |
Hello, I am looking to make a sort of last minute trip to Calafate y Ushuaia, leaving Monday the 27th from BsAs. As crazy as it may sound, I do not mind taking a bus! I would like to see the scenery change, even if it means a 36 hour bus ride. Or perhaps Bus there and fly back. My dumb question is, other than the hostel\hotel and the transportation itself, what can you actually do? Are there guide, do you hike, what. See, told you it was a dumb question. Thanks! | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 340 Registered: 12-2004 |
In Calafate you can hike. In fact, most hikers actually take a bus to El Chalten nearby Calafate and hike there. There are several paths with varying degrees of difficulty. In El Chalten you can visit their 'tourist office' upon arrival and they will get you started right away... maps, guides, hours of operation, etc. This you can do yourself. | ||
| colleen trainor Unregistered guest |
Hello, I will be traveling with 2 other women in mid May to Buenos Aires for 10 days. We would like to spend 3 days in Buenos Aires, 2 days in Medoza, and 3 days in San Carlos de Bariloche. What is the best way of traveling to these places, given our short time frame and on somewhat of a budget? Thank You, | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 344 Registered: 12-2004 |
Colleen, I am afraid you can only do this by plane. But perhaps you should explore doing the Buenos Aires - Mendoza - Buenos Aires by overnight bus. You may save just a little. You can find out about prices for buses at the Port Terminal in Retiro (Estacion Terminal Retiro) where buses depart. These are the companies that do that route: ANDESMAR S.A. 4313-3650 CATA 4311-5581 CENTRAL ARGENTINO 4315-1868 LA NUEVA CHEVALLIER 40005255 EL RAPIDO INTERNAC. S.R.L. 4313-3757 SENDAS VIAJES 4314-2964 T.A.C 4312-7012 TRAMAT S.A. 4314-1258 EXPRESO USPALLATA 4314-1258 | ||
| javier Garcia Poquet New member Username: Javiogarcia Post Number: 7 Registered: 2-2006 |
Collen: Your trip looks exahustive. Buenos Aires to Mendoza 1100 km, Mendoza to Bariloche 700 km aprox perhaps 800 km. And in each one of these places you have long distances if you want to get arround the place. Good luck and enjoy your trip | ||
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| Kiri Unregistered guest |
Hi! I would love some advice on travelling around Patagonia. I would like to go to El Carafate and Ushuaia (and anywhere else in between)- arriving around the 23 of April. I would like to travel there for around 7-10 days. As a young english speaking (I'm slowly learning spanish) female- is it unwise for me to try to travel alone? Will it be easy to get around to the national parks, glaciers and other sites? Or should I find a tour to do this? If so, could you suggest any companies to go with? Also, would there be a significant price difference between travelling on my own to travelling on a tour? Thanks for your help!! Kiri | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 382 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Kiri, you can travel by yourself all around Argentina. It is a safe place for young females, however, you must take some common sense precautions as in any other trip abroad. Patagonia -in general- is a very hospitable place and for several years now it has been flooded by tourists so you should be ok. You can probably get to the national parks by yourself but the short amount of time you can devote for the trip makes this line of thinking somewhat risky. You may not understand directions or you may not speak the language properly. In addition, most of patagonia is vastly underdeveloped so there is not much in regions like El Calafate. If you are unfamiliar with the area, maps alone will not help. With more time, I would try it on my own and see how far I could get but for Ushuaia and Calafate I recommend contacting an agent. You can start with Erna at erna@travelsur.net who owns this website and then do some shop comparison. In this trip, you can include a few days in Bariloche. In this destination it might be a lot easier to travel by yourself and do excursions on your own. Bariloche has a fairly large population considering it is a southern city and many, many ammenities and a good infraestructure. But bear in mind that excursions are inexpensive and there will be little to no difference if you buy direct or from an agent. Honest agents will charge you no more than 10/15% on ground tours which they receive at a discount so final pricing might even be the same. Agents get paid by the wholesale tour operator and very rarely charge in addition to that. A trip like this ideally would use 2 nights in Ushuaia, 3 nights in Calafate and 4/5 nights in Bariloche. | ||
| Howard Hines Unregistered guest |
I am going to be in Argentina for two weeks and I want to go by bus or train to Costa del Este from Buenos Aires. Where do I get the train or bus to go there? Any idea of what round trip tickets cost. | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 400 Registered: 12-2004 |
Howard, not sure what 'Costa del Este' is. Is it Punta del Este in Uruguay? Is it 'Partido de la Costa' where the beaches are? Anyway, buses is an easy solution in Buenos Aires. Visit the 'Terminal Retiro' in Retiro neighborhood which is the bus station where all bus companies have their offices. It is pretty large so when you go there do so with ample time. You can visit their website first to find out which companies travel this route. Just type in your destination on this page. But you will need to know the exact name, I have never heard of 'Costa del Este'... On that site you can check schedules and phone numbers too. The railroad station is only walking distance from the bus station, unless the departure point for the place you want to go is 'Constitucion'... But someone should be able to help you either at the bus station or in Retiro train terminal. | ||
| Meu Unregistered guest |
Helo Roberto! I'd be very grateful if you could answer some questions about Patagonia. Firstly, I'm planning to arrive at BA in early November. How often are flights from BA to Esquel? From Esquel, I plan to visit Trelew, Gaiman and Puerto Madryn. Are there long distance buses that travel along route 25 or would fly to Trelew be a better option? Thanks for your help, Meu | ||
| Ken Kerr New member Username: Doctork Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2006 |
Hello everyone, I am pleased to find this site. I am a college English professor and will be on sabbatical next January through July. My intention is to spend this time in BsAs to become more proficient at Spanish. As I am a college professor on sabbitical, that means I have limited means. I am looking for a furnished, two bedroom apartment in a safe neighborhood. What should I expect to pay? I have been looking on Craigslist.org, but everytime I contact someone, they say it is too soon to make rental arrangements for 2007. Also, while I have your attention, where do I find the best airfares? I line in the Washington DC/Baltimore area. | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 405 Registered: 12-2004 |
Ken, just a tidbit... I know of 2 bedrooms in a decent area that may go for about USD $375/$400 a month. But depending on the area I would expect a wide range of prices. Ideally, if you can contact or meet a local, you should be able to find something affordable. It's not easy to find really cheap tickets to Argentina. You can try an auction/bidding place but there are now less airlines and less routes to Argentina (than previous years) so flights are packed. | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 406 Registered: 12-2004 |
Just a private message from someone about cheap tickets... --------- About airfares to Argentina: I found the student universe travel site, which is available to anyone with an edu email address (http://www.studentuniverse.com/). Also Carbone Travel has similarly competitive fares (www.carbone-travel.com). American Airlines seemed to have best prices and flight times when I booked. (I was also able to get one free ticket with frequent flier miles, which helped a great deal!) --------- Thank you, Claudia!! (Message edited by admin on April 25, 2006) | ||
| Ken Kerr New member Username: Doctork Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2006 |
Roberto, Thanks for the information. I do have a .edu email address. Also, what do you think of the idea of staying a week or so in a hotel and finding the apartment once I am there? Ken | ||
| Laura Zurro New member Username: Sapphos Post Number: 17 Registered: 2-2006 |
Hi Ken, I've got a blog which will probably give you some helpful information. I believe it is actually too early to get the prices that you're looking for because a lot of changes could occur during the next few months that could affect the price of apartments. But it's not impossible to find some of these prices. One of the places you might try is http://soloduenos.com/ which is rentals directly from the owner. Otherwise you have a lot of choices. What you might consider is renting an apartment for a week or two and during that time look around to find your longer term rental. But definately, you will want to do as much research as possible beforehand. We were originally planning on moving here in October from Miami, but after a couple of trips decided to move things to the spring. In February, we visited to find a house to rent but at the beginning of the month and of course, every house we liked had just been rented. What we finally found, we had to rent starting at the beginning of April but we were fortunate enough to have been able to move our move date up to April. Regarding airfares, you could try travelocity and put in flexible dates to see what days and airlines will be the best. We've flown on both american and delta and our friend flew on TAM which he liked a lot. Well email me with any questions or check out the blog. p.s. I've talked to a lot of other people who have taken sabbaticals here and they really enjoyed their time! Laura movingtoargentina.typepad.com | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 408 Registered: 12-2004 |
Ken, you could. There are several 3 stars at around $35 a night that look very clean and decent (Corrientes and Florida has a few). We just had a passenger staying at one of these... | ||
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| Bev Gleason New member Username: Bev Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2006 |
Hello, My husband and I are taking our 3 children to Argentina this Christmas. We arrive in BA 12/15 and stay until 1/18. So far we think we want to go to Bariloche, Mendoza, Iguazu, and the Coast (maybe near Mar del Plata?). What would be the best route to follow? Should we rent a car or will it be more economical to take buses and then rent a car for the day when we get to our destinations so we can see the areas around the cities. I have been reading about sleeper buses that sound good. We would like to spend at least a week at the beach and the rest of the time wandering to those other cities. What would you suggest as the most economical routes? Any expert advice would be appreciated. Bev | ||
| Bev Gleason New member Username: Bev Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2006 |
Me again, I just remembered something else. Should we be concerned about making our accommodation or flight/bus/car reservations now since we are visiting at Christmas time and I hear things get crowded? Bev | ||
| florencia New member Username: Bsastour Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2006 |
hello: on the next month I will travel to Argentina and I´m searching an appartment or hotel,I need information about night life,etc | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 457 Registered: 12-2004 |
Bev, it may be just a little early to make reservations for Christmas, however, by August you should definitely start making contacts/calls. I think that driving to all the destinations you are planning to see and not being acquainted with local traffic and how locals drive is a NO NO. There is no comparison on how americans have signaled their streets, roads and highways and how argentines do it. I remember a story from one of our clients driving from Buenos Aires to a ranch in the outskirts and not being able to find it... Imagine driving thousands of miles. You will be better off by taking a bus to all those destinations and renting locally. For Iguazu, I would recommend flying since it is economical. You can probably get some kind of family fare too and depending on the ages of your children, their tickets may be even cheaper. Beaches, specially Mar del Plata, will be *very* crowded after Jan 1st. If you do not mind making this your first destination I would land in BA and head straight to MdeP for one week, then back to BA and fly to Iguazu and spend Christmas, stay 3 nights and fly back to BA where I would spend New Year (definitely plan that dinner in advance and don't be surprised to pay a premium for that dinner). Starting 2007, I would first look into Mendoza for 4 or 5 nights and then Bariloche for a week. Finally, I would spend the remaining of the trip in Buenos Aires. Hope this makes sense. | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 458 Registered: 12-2004 |
Florencia, email me privately at info / at / travelsur.net | ||
| Bob Frassinetti New member Username: Frassinetti Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2005 |
Florencia, asked for some information about night life,etc in Buenos Aires, well here goes... All what you’ve read and heard about BA’s nightlife is true… .......and as it usually happens, reality is much richer than any tale or story. Argentines are beautiful and atractive as well sophisticated and elegant. Both men and women fit the stereotype of hot Latinos and delicate Europeans… Many say it’s the blend of Italian and Spanish immigrants, I must say that there’s something in the Good Airs of Buenos Aires that highlights the beauty within every one of us. If I had to put my finger on the cultural factor to this beauty I would risk it’s the extraordinary result of local populations and immigrants from all Europe… It really doesn’t matter were it came from, the good thing it’s here to stay, party and enjoy life to the most. Argentines love to go out, enjoy great food and drinks as much as they love to party and dance till dawn. The options throughout the city are as broad as taste options there are. If it's fun you're looking for, the nightlife in Buenos Aires offers plenty of that. Nightclubs take on a new meaning as people dance and party well into the morning hours. The nightclub scene is hot in Buenos Aires. You can literally party all night at any of the stupendous clubs. From live electronic music performances at Pacha and Mint to wild and gorgeous fashion shows at Buenos Aires news and Opera Bay. From tropical music to rock n’ roll, all sorts of people hang out in BA’s nightlife. For South American style with European flair, Buenos Aires partying evenings start the minute the sun goes down and people leave the office… Thursday to Sunday are the hot evening nights in the city--- People first meet for drinks. Pubs & Lounges in Palermo Hollywood, Soho and Las Canitas are these days’ hot spots. A couple of good drinks may be something sweet like red bull and vodka or a precious treat: vodka, passion fruit and mint… or may be if you’re feeling more traditional just a martini or a glass of superb local Malbec red wine. At about 9-10 PM Argentines, especially Portenos, head to the restaurants and Resto bars for the latest cuisine trend. BA features a marvelous variety of outstanding restaurants. If visiting, indeed a must is to -at least once- enjoy some of Argentina’s finest grilled meat. Keep an open mind and you’ll enjoy all sort of delicate treats and feasts. For fusion cuisine Palermo is the place, hip and trendy restaurants with great service feature more than interesting options. For the ultimate sophistication and elegance, don’t hesitate go to Buenos Aires Sofitel hotel on Arroyo St or the Alvear Palace bistro. Traditional and perfect to the tiniest detail, these restaurants rarely go wrong. Let me provide a little insight on the Portenian way of being, we take very good care of our dining experiences and it’s very common that we’re in a restaurant for several hours, enjoying the food and the company. Dinning time can extend until passed midnight… So the fact that we “hit” the clubs after 1-2 AM shouldn’t be strange. The peak of the clubbing night might be achieved at 4 AM in the morning and the party goes on and on until dawn… Trendy and hip people, Argentines dress accordingly to the latest fashion style in vogue, and the night out is not just about the dance and fun, but a show off window. Slim and beautiful of exotic features the Argentine woman has a true unique beauty and a sculptural body… There has been quite a fuzz around many of our lovely women… At the Latin MTV awards made several peoples’ jaws drop like in cartoons or the latest Internet revolution around Agustina or “Keyra”s most perfect back side! Beauty and soul… Argentines have that typical Latino groove! They are always moving and dancing to whatever tune is playing. After such an amazing evening out, when the sky begins to turn red, orange and deep blue it’s time to rest… not before enjoying a lovely breakfast by the river. As the sun begins to raise upon the city we all head home for a good (day-night) sleep… None of these party people would hit the streets before noon! That’s why weekends in BA are so quiet until lunch! Bob Frassinetti, Buenos Aires, Martinez, Argentina  | ||
| K. C. New member Username: Waleshouse Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2006 |
Hello. I was wondering if anyone knew off-hand how many flights a day leave Buenos Aires for El Calafate (or Trelew). I want to spend about 5-6 nights hiking near El Calafate, then spend a couple nights on Peninsula Valdes, then head back to B.A. My flight from US gets into B.A. (EZE) at 11am and I want to catch something out that day. Thanks, Kelly | ||
| Julie Hill New member Username: Sky Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2006 |
KC Go to the website for Argentina Airports. You can view in real time all flights and their status. If you scroll through this info, you will be able to determine destinations and how many a day to each destination. http://www.aa2000.com.ar/index.php Also, you will find a list of all carriers that offer service and go their indivual websites SKY | ||
| Lucy New member Username: Lucy Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2007 |
Hi Roberto & All I’v just discovered this site and its brilliant! Could I ask some advice? We’re heading over to Argentina /Brazil near the end of March and thinking of the following itinerary BA 4 nights El Calafate 4 nights Iguassu 2-3 nights Costa Verde or somewhere similar 4 nights Rio 3-4 nights We could do Bariloche for 2 nights and El Calafate for 3 nights but would that be too crazy? What will the weather be like in BA and El Calafate in 2 weeks time? Any recommendations for El Calafate – both accommodation (4-5*) and activities?. Would it be worth staying there for an extra night? Is 2 nights too short in Iguassu – we don’t mind reducing our stay in Rio to increase our time in Iguassu? Is one day enough at the falls? What are the must do’s in BA. We’re thinking of staying in Four Seasons | ||
| Tom Advanced Member Username: Diverdown48 Post Number: 340 Registered: 6-2006  |
Hello Lucy and welcome I couldn't help but smile, "What will the weather be like in BA and El Calafate in 2 weeks time?" With all the super duper Doppler radars the local weather man has in, choose any big city in the US, they can't tell you if it will rain tomorrow or not. But you know that. But maybe someone here can tell you what it might be in two weeks. Good luck and you will love Argentina. I do. | ||
| Lucy New member Username: Lucy Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2007 |
thanks for the smart (but that hepful!!) comments Tom  | ||
| Bob Frassinetti Junior Member Username: Frassinetti Post Number: 39 Registered: 1-2005 |
Hi Lucy, Thanks for your post... While no one really knows whether its going to rain or shine, I can indeed tell you that this time of the year Buenos Aires is still quite warm and humid, sometimes it rains a bit but temperature does not drop dramatically in general. As to El Calafate, since the southern you go the closer you are to the Antarctica, you will find that the climate there much cooler than in BA, and of course, less humid, generally this time of the year is very mild and nice, sunny days and coldish nights... nothing compared to the harsh snowy winters... Hope I've been of help, contact me for any other info... Cheers from BA, Bob Frassinetti  |
