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Gregg
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Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 4:51 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I am a writer, technical journalist and teacher living in Los Angeles.

I'm thinking of moving to Argentina, but would like to query some of the long-time participants here and there.

I've heard there's a substantial American ex-pat community in Buenos Aires. Have we worn out our welcome, or are Norte Americanos seen as worthwhile contributors to the civic scene?

As neither my wife nor I are Spanish-proficient, are we better off settling in BA, or are there better places where we should be researching?

We'd both like to teach (I'm secondary English, she's elementary special ed, normal ed and resource) and hopefully would like to find someplace where those skills would be valued. We probably won't have to rely on our salaries to survive; but we're both people who like to keep busy and contribute to the community.

Our politics lean to the liberal, but not too far; and we both enjoy both the vibrancy of an urban area with its access to news, film, culture and arts as well as the more relaxed life outside the big cities. We also have a youngster under 5 years.

Any suggestions or opinions - other than gringo stay home - are appreceiated.
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Tom
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Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 10:54 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hello Gregg and Welcome

There is at least one English speaking school in Buenos Aires and of course English as a second language teachers are in much demand in many places.

One hope which is selfish I must admit. I hope you vote your liberal politics before you leave the US or by absentee ballot afterward.

The conservatives have done way to much damage in this country to be allowed another presidential term after W.

May God bless America.
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Gregg
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 12:07 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Tom:

"One hope which is selfish I must admit. I hope you vote your liberal politics before you leave the US or by absentee ballot afterward."

"The conservatives have done way to much damage in this country to be allowed another presidential term after W."


THAT is one concern you can shed from your life. It's my mission to restore a progressive agenda.

Thanks for your feedback.
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Roberto
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 9:22 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Gregg, welcome! I am not an expat (actually I am but the other way around as I am an argentine presently living in the US). Buenos Aires is the financial and cultural center for Argentina. You may find a good amount of activity in other cities but nothing like in BA.

Like Tom said, there is a school named "Lincoln" that apparently employs foreign teachers and follows the US education system. Other than this, there are some bilingual schools where your skills might be useful. Good thing you are not planning on surviving on an argentine's salary teacher as this will most likely be disappointing. This is as much as I can contribute.
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Riyada
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Posted on Monday, March 19, 2007 - 9:33 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Gregg
Come here to Mendoza. St. George's school, is the most expensive in the province of Mendoza, and have very limited English teachers. (in my opinion)
They follow the British system of education, GCSE's etc..
We nee you badly! My son goes there.
Here is their e-mail address if you want to send them your resume.
informes@colegiosanjorge.com

Their web site:
http://www.colegiosanjorge.com/

Good luck!
Riyad
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Arial
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 12:29 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Note to Greg, Tom and others,

Can anyone here define Conservative and Liberal? I mean the current, modern definition, not the original one. I have decided that perhaps I no longer understand my own language! I once was a Conservative.

Definition of an American Conservative: One whose desire is to conserve the values of our founders and our American heritage including strict adherance to the Constitution of the United States and the rule of law, a policy of nonintervention in the affairs of other sovereign nations, states rights, limited central government as defined by the Constitution . . . . . and so on.

In the earlier years, Liberals were those who wanted to abandon all of that and leaned strongly to the left (socialism, even communism in some cases).

This current governmentīs claim to being "Conservative" has, in my opinion, completely redefined the word. I am NOTHING like those who currently are at the helm of this ship. But the fact is that the term has been in the process of being redefined for many years to the point where I no longer recognize it. In fact, by my Presidentīs definition, I have now morphed into a Liberal.

I recently decided to change my political category. I am now a Constitutional Liberal. By that I mean that I believe in the Constitution of The United States. I think judges, presidents, vice presidents, secretaries of state, Congress and anyone else should be held to it, and because I believe in individual freedom (so long as your fist stops short of my nose) I consider myself a "Liberal."

So there you have it. My new definition! I am a Constitutional Liberal.

Arial
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Tom
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 3:49 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

No Gregg

Thank you
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Gregg
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 4:29 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Thanks, Tom and others.

I'm not wanting to turn this into a political discussion, but when I say "progressive" I mean realistic liberal.

As Arial noted, those calling themselves conservative in this current administration have curdled the milk. They've co-opted the social and fiscal conservatives with style and demagoguery, but their substance has been nearly - dare I say it? - fascist, ruinous to the economy and degrading to the integrity of government they promised to restore.

John Dean captured it perfectly in his book, aptly titled CONSERVATIVES WITHOUT CONSCIENCE. Coincidentally, I'd taken that book - which was originally started as a collaboration with Barry Goldwater - and Goldwater's autobiography with me on vacation last year. While neither of those men reflect my political views, they are generally respected a honorable men of conscience. Their horror of the subversion of conservatism -- Goldwater's fears in the future, Dean's reality in his time in the Nixon White House -- by reactionary and military-industrial forces reflects today's reality. Change must come, and that will only come through an active and educated electorate.

I have now dismantled my soapbox -- burning it would contribute to potential global warming -- but am fascinated to continue learning about the ups and downs of Argentine life for ex-pats.

Thanks for your comments and contributions.

Gregg
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Orlando Martinez
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 7:24 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

If Ms Clinton win, maybe the US will become comunist and join Castro and hugo Chavez, who knows!!!!!!!!, more taxes, less freedom and open doors for terrorism, not to mention global warming jajajaja what a joke, Gore is making a few more millions with this story or game, good luck america. Im republican but I no longer support Busch, he`s going to far, to many mistakes, but that does not mean I will choose Hillary, well why are talking politics here, wrong pageeeeeeeeeee.
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Riyada
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 7:28 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Yea .. Too many gringos butting in..
This is Argentina forum.
May God bless Argentina.
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Gregg
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 7:39 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Orlando,

As a good Republican, you might want to read the books I mentioned. Barry Goldwater is generally credited with founding the conservative movement in modern American politics, and John Dean was counsel to Richard Nixon. They may have a few things to say to you that are worth learning and thinking about.

And as a matter of note, the name of this thread is EXPATRIATE EXPERIENCES AND EXPECTATIONS.

God bless Argentina.
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Jude OHara
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 7:59 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I havenīt met any American ex-pats who would freely use the R word, and I have met a LOT (it`s surprising actually) - I donīt think they feel that it is a great way to win friends and influence people at the moment, and lots are saying they are Canadian. Donīt shoot the messenger, itīs just something iīve noticed - I was surprised the first time I heard it a couple of years ago but more and more people have told me they say they are Canadian if they get asked.
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Gregg
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Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Funny you should mention it...

Whenever I get caged as I leave the supermarket by one of the petition drive signature gatherers - trying to get me to sign on to one of the thousand of ballot referendums here in California - I tell them I'm Canadian...

Unless of course it's something really worthwhile.

If it's someone who wants to get a voter initiative on the November ballot to regulate rotating my tires, or something equally useful, I suddenly start saying "eh?" at the ends of my sentences, and talk about hockey. No offense intended to my neighbors to the North.

I'm usually left alone after that!
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Tom
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Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 8:54 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hello Gregg
I saw a special on HBO about Barry Goldwater done by his daughter. She said he would not recognize and not agree with the modern day conservative Republican. His politics are more moderate today than conservative.
I remember Goldwater and the infamous commercial showing the little girl just before the atom bomb went off and the inference that if he were elected that is what would happen. Of course his remarks on the subject were taken out of context but it was an effective way of defeating his presidential bid.
He was an honest person who would be, I humbly believe, shocked at what is going on with this administration.
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Gregg
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Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 9:04 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I concur. It was funny but sad, that the things he wrote about in complaining about Democrats have been overtaken and steroid injected by the neo-cons.

Oh well. We work at taking back the country a little bit at a time.

Hope springs eternal. Just like crabgrass. (I think that was Erma Bombeck or Plato, one of those important philosophers)
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Tom
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Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 9:36 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hello Orlando,
Well, obviously some are not informed about what Hillary and the Democratic party in general stands for.
You say...
"If Ms Clinton win, maybe the US will become comunist and join Castro and hugo Chavez, who knows!!!!!!!!,"
How in the world you get this I have no idea. She and Democrats believe in the US as a free country that has honest and fair elections. Uhhh, can you say "hanging chads!"
The name Democrats comes from the word "democracy" meaning a government that is freely elected and is the oldest political party in the US which is the oldest democracy in the world.

"..more taxes, less freedom and open doors for terrorism, not to mention global warming jajajaja what a joke,"
The US is the least taxed industrial nation in the world and that is not any Democrats goal to change. We might advocate health care for all our citizens just like all other industrial nations provide. Fair labor practices, feeding the poor and homeless, just social issues that are not a monopoly of the communists. Just being decent human beings more or less.
"less freedom", More Freedom is the epitimy of liberal beliefs. No Democrat advocates "less freedom". More freedom under Democrats means basic freedoms, not the Freedom Act or the other invasions by big government on peoples rights that is going on right now.
"open doors for terrorism..." not even worthy of intelligent comment. Bill Clinton warned the present administration there was a big threat from Alcada which was ignored. The argument has been proven if you want to look it up from independent sourcs.
"global warming".... It's real. It's here, It's now. We either do something about it or we will have some real problems along with our children and grand children. It took almost 5 years for W to finally admit there was even such a thing as "global warming". But he did finally adknowledge that it is happening. Democrats will do more to stop it than any rich oil man.
It's no "joke".

"Gore is making a few more millions with this story or game, good luck america."
Real scientist and researchers who do not work for big oil acknowledge global warming is real. When Gore testified before congress the other day the only real detractors were Senators from....you guessed it, big oil states, Texas and Oklahoma.

"Im republican but I no longer support Busch, he`s going to far, to many mistakes, but that does not mean I will choose Hillary, well why are talking politics here, wrong pageeeeeeeeeee."

This blog is for those who want to share ideas and goals. It is primarily about Argentina but still is a place for people to share ideas and beliefs of people who do not make a practice of name calling, It is the right page for "gringos" and all others who want to join in reasonable debate. And it is a legitimate place to talk about it since some want to leave the US because of the politics.

If I am not mistaken, the moderator who does a very good job here, Roberto, lives in the US. Correct me if I am wrong.

Just curious, why are you a republican?
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Tom
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Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 9:44 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Oh yes, Orlando,
An unintended clerical error I am sure that I most humbly point out.

Busch is the name of the owners of the largest selling beer company in the world.

Bush is the name of the current president of the US. It is also an unwanted weed that is a problem most everywhere it show up.
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Riyada
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Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 10:02 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Folks.. this discussion should really go under a title like : "Living in the US"..
I am afraid I am going to unsubscribe from "Living in Argentina" topic..
See you in the next world
R
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Pedro Cornejo
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Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 10:24 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I agree with Riyada. This discussion has gone way off course. The last time it happened (when it became an anti-Castro, anti-Chavez mouthpiece) I tried to unsubscribe from this forum but the e-mails kept on coming. Even though I never post, I was a keen lurker. So please Roberto or whoever is in charge of this board please unsubscribe me.
I thought this was a forum about things connected with Argentina.
Adios.
Pedro
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Riyada
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Posted on Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 11:12 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Pedro.
To unsubscribe, go to your profile, and scroll down till you get to "E-mail Notification" and uncheck whatever you dont want.
Riyad
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Gregg
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 12:56 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Pedro, Riyada, Tom, et al...

This is a thread I started to gather experiences of ex-patriates living in Argentina. Tom made a simple request, I explained that it was not a problem, and "Orlando" lobbed in a molotov, and got some spirited responses.

Do we all have such thin skins? Would you rather pick up a gun, change the channel or talk?

Only one of those choices leads to any constructive result. And I actually enjoyed Jude's response.
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Simon Fawkes
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 5:57 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I hope this isn't too off-topic, but I want to correct a point Tom made. He said: "...in the US which is the oldest democracy in the world."

I don't know what is the oldest democracy in the world, but as a point of fact, in the UK the modern democratic system principally came about in the twelfth century, some 500 years or so before the US came into existence. The US certainly isn't the oldest democracy in the world.

Simon Fawkes
Author, The Complete Guide To Real Estate Investment in Argentina, ISBN 1430303980, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1430303980
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Gregg
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:40 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

We're probably going to get into hair splitting, as Britain is a constitutional monarchy and the U.S. is a constitutional republic defaulting to an electoral college.

I suppose the Queen can accept or deny the elected PM, and of course one house is hereditary.

But in the U.S., electors of the electoral college are not bound by the will of their states, technically, and can vote their own conscience or lack thereof, regardless of the popular vote.

I, of course, prefer President for Life, with me as President. Naturally.

Enough hair splitting. Most of us probably don't have enough to spare.

Better yet, let's drink!

I'll stand you to a pint. Please don't buy me a Budweiser.

Then, we'll talk about Argentina!

And say hello that other Fawkes fellow.
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Arial
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:49 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Gentlemen, the US was not established as a democracy.

Our founders claimed that democracies always end when people figure out that they can "vote themselves benefits out of the public larder." They also knew that a democracy is easily infiltrated by evil men--probably for the above reason. Sort of like those movies where the aliens take over peopleīs bodies and you think it is still your wife you are dealing with because it still looks like her--but it is not.

They had also had it with the Whigs and the Tories. They wanted us to evaluate every person on his own merits. But the two party system, like weeds, sprouted anyway.

We were established as a republic to avoid the ills that always accompany democracies. Each individual state was to make and administer its own laws so long as they did not violate the Bill of Rights, etc. The Constitution strictly limited central government and so guaranteed stateīs rights without interference from the central government. Their purpose was individual freedom and division of power.

What bright men they were, these who gave us our foundation. They also knew the history of fiat currency and the law is that money is to be gold and silver. How did we EVER let all this fall out of our hands? Probably because people no longer even understand the dangers of violating those principles. We brag today that we are a democracy because we donīt understand--and we have not taught our children and so they wonīt understand either.

Of course it has almost all been circumvented. For example, the federal government taxes everyone and then doles out federal money to the schools. The state can set up their education so long as they do what the central government says. If they donīt they lose their federal allotment. An obvious violation of the Constitution. This is just one small example.

When the first Constitutional Convention adjourned, I think it was Benjamin Franklin that someone approached and asked "What have you given us?ĻHis response was "A republic . . if you can keep it!"

And HAVE we kept it?

Yours affectionately from San Rafael, a beautiful little city!!!! Arial
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Arial
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:59 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I want to add something about Argentina. Anyone who reads my posts knows that I love Argentina--and especially her people!

As I write about Argentina I realize my experience is limited to certain areas of the country. Also the people I have come to know relatively well are educated peope. A biologist. A Canada-based businessman who is working to expand into Argentina because he wants his children to grow up here, and so on.

I am amazed by what Argentinos know about the world, other countries, other governments. I can have conversations with Argentinos that are more enlightening to me than conversations with educated people in my own country in many cases.

I once commented to the above businessman my admiration of how much understanding he had of other governments and he told me it is nothing, the lowest street sweeper in Argentina would know the same. I believed him. It is one of the things that I quickly came to admire about my friends in Argentina. I love my native country and the principles upon which it was founded. But I think we can learn a lot from the Argentinos Just my personal opinion.

Principles that make for successful government and free people are not limited to any one country. They will work in any country where they are applied. Truth is truth. Wherever in the world you set it down, it will still be truth!

Chau chau, Arial
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Tom
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:59 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Simon, When the US was created, the United Kindom now known as Great Britian was ruled by a King. It was not a democracy.
There was a parliment but the, the house of Lords and Commons.
They had a great say in the running of the country but they were not absolutely in power.
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Tom
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:17 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

You can find a factual history of the Democratic party here...

http://www.democrats.org/a/party/history.html
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Tom
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:33 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

You are right Gregg.

It did start out as a simple valid question about Argentina.

But...
A democracy is defined as "1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections"
see.. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/democracy

Sounds like the US from the git go. The members of the Constitutional Convention were elected representaties of the individual states.

The "supreme power" in England when the US Constitution was written was in the hands of King George, not their elected House of Commons. Based on my recollection of my ancestors homeland the House of Lords was and is made up of unelecte noblemen.
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Tom
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:42 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Gregg
I will drink to that.

when you get to Argentina be sure and try a Kilmes, I think I misspelled it. It is to me at least one of the best tasting beers in the world. It is my beer of choice when I am there even though both Bud Lite, Miller Lite, and other world beers are readily available.

A little help on the spelling anyone?
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Tom
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Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:45 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Arial
Tell us more about San Rafael. I want to do some traveling next time I am down there which is what I always say but work usually ties me up.
Oh well, living vicariously is good also.
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Orlando Martinez
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Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 9:30 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hello Tom, my coments were just a joke to see democrats exploting, I dont like Hillary but If I have to choose democrat I`ll go for Edwars, I dont like the democrat party for personal reasons, dificult to explain I dont wanna get there. I love your explanation about the democrat party and support some of it, trust me. I have many argentinos friends also, they are good people but they dont like talking politics, especialy if you are not from the LEFT, they eat you alive jajajaja (that was also a joke , please). I have known the LEFT and the RIGHT, I was born in comunism and now live in Capitalism, if I have a choice I`ll stay where I`m now.
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Gregg
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Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 12:41 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Orlando, I'd have to agree with your very last sentence. Probably tossing the original comments to be provocative wasn't helpful, though it may have been fun for you.

For people who have grown up in a democratic republic, seeing what the Bush administration is doing is like watching your sister married to a wife beater: you might want to do something to stop it.

Now, if we can go back to Argentina, maybe Arial can tell us more about San Rafael.
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Riyada
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Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 9:03 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Roberto must be on vacation. I unchecked the Living In Arg box and I am still getting e-mails from members here who insist on making their US political points..
Hey guys, I and many others are really NOT interested in hearing about US politics, at least not here. Would you plse consider either writing to each other privately or form your own BLOG.
R

(Message edited by admin on March 25, 2007)
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Roberto
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Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 10:49 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hello everyone, nice to see that members are expressing themselves freely.

As you all know, I think watercooler chit-chat is great as it helps people with a common interest to bond. For those of us who may not participate but read, this could be an enlightning way to better understand what our north american peers are about... who in turn have shown keen interest on Argentina and argentines. Yes, this thread may have gone off a tangent and may not meet all requirements to be part of a forum about Argentina but considering the vast majority of members are US citizens it may just be as valid. Getting to know each other will lead ultimately to a more sincere contribution and we still don't know who may post what. {Plus life isn't black and white either}.

To those who wish to selectively kill emails from specific threads I am investigating how to do this right now. Riyad / Pedro, you may be receiving emails because you *participated* in this thread and have -naturally- checked the option "receive replies to my post". This could be an oversight from the programmer who wrote the script as it seems the two of you are now locked in. I have too unchecked Pedro's "living in Argentina" topic to see if he stops receiving emails but I doubt it. (Pedro, I will restore this very soon)

For your information, I have emailed the script owner about this problem and am hoping to find some work around. Pedro and Riyad I appreciate you being patient until I find a solution to this. I do acknowledge your desire to be out of it! If not your cup of tea, why read it?

And yes, I just got back from 4 days in Orlando where I took my step-daughter (6) to meet Cinderella and their gang.
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Tom
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Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 12:06 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Orlando, Right On
I personnally think John Edwards is the best person for the job. If he gets the nomination I will support him as much as I can.
He is honest which is something not many of the candidates can say if any.

Riyada, delete all emails from this blog that say
EXPATRIATE EXPECTATIONS AND EXPERIENCES
without reading them.

Good analogy Greg

Roberto, I have finally figured out who you are. The Argentine Ambassador to The US. They could not have chosen a better man for the job, as good a diplomat as there is.
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Riyada
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Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 6:59 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Roberto.. Surely if we uncheck the living in arg check box, we will not be participating under that topic. A more logical way to go around this is create a whole new topic EXPATRIATE EXPECTATIONS AND EXPERIENCES
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Gregg
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Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 11:05 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Riyada, you wrote...

"Hey guys, I and many others are really NOT interested in hearing about US politics, at least not here. Would you plse consider either writing to each other privately or form your own BLOG."

Since I'm the gringo who started this thread, I've tried to steer us back to Argentine topics; but expatriate Americans often have political views. And telling people to shut up about it probably won't have the desired effect. They call that human nature.

So, if there's some problem with the posting notification system, maybe try to work around it by deleting any posts from this thread.

Thanks to Orlando for his diplomatic handling.
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Roberto
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Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 11:21 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Gregg, this script is very robust. Perhaps, better than most forum scripts out there. But that same robustness makes for less flexibilty. I understand where he is coming from as he wanted to contribute to the thread but then he found himself locked in, receiving emails he wasn't interested in reading. Yes, most of us would have just deleted them but it would have been a lot more convenient to unsubscribe from it with one click -something I am still investigating-.

Anyway, let's not awake "the shout of Ipiranga" for Brazilian God's sake.
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Bill Howard
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Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 7:40 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Gregg:

I think you first job is to address your level of Spanish language proficiency. There are lots of self study books and cds available but I would recommend supplementing them with an academic night course in Spanish at a local college. The conversational courses offered in high schools at night and some junior colleges generally do not have the rigor needed to learn the language with any depth. Once you are underway there are lots of places you can go and practice, for example, Clarin and La Nacion, the two major Argentine dailies, have websites where you can read the news. Several Argentine TV and radio stations broadcast over the web. JumpTV also offers a monthly subscription to Canal 9 or Telefe, two popular Argentine TV stations broadcast in broadband. Excellent video and sound quality. I think it is important to see how the language is spoken in Argentina and watching the news, even when you struggle to follow the words, is worth seeing to obtain a sense of what is going on there. Also work on your childs Spanish. Plenty of English private schools in Argentina but generally it's Spanish in the morning and English in the afternoon. Look for a Spanish speaking day care provider at home until you are ready to give Argentina a try. The good news is kids at that age are sponges and the earlier the easier they learn.

For background I would recommend a good history of the country. There are a few on Amazon. I also recommend Argentina: Illusions and Realities by Gary Wynia and The Other Argentina:The Interior and National Development by Larry Sawers. Both are fairly contemporary and objective analysis of the country from a political, social and economic perspective. Many of the other books available focus on the Falklands War and the disappeared and as tragic a period as that way there is much more to Argentina than that proliferation of stories. I have read quite a bit more but the books I mention are good to start with. The Buenos Aires Herald is a good English language source. It is the English language paper in the country. You can read it free for 30 days online. Then it gets expensive. Good for getting a sense of the English speaking spin on Argentine issues.

Now…for jobs. I agree your best bet is in a private school. Without good Spanish that will still be tricky. There are several English language academies all over the country and you might score a job as a teacher in an advanced class but the salary would be literally a few dollars a lesson. Also, in argentina special ed students are not mainstreamed. They are taught in separate schools and then put into sheltered workshops or kept home. Of course Spanish is needed for those schools and again it will be tough to find a strictly english speaking job. If you can continue to work for an American company remotely or in Argentina you will make out best. There are several call centers for American companies all over. Clearly English is a must. Again be prepared to make 1200 pesos a month (400 USD).

Where to go? BA sound good for you but Cordoba is also very nice. More rural. Different artistic and cultural scene. I like it a lot. Mar del Plata is a large beach resort in Buenos Aires province. In the summer it swells to millions of people…in the winter about 500,000. Another good choice. I would recommend you rent and live in some different areas for a few years. It is tough to get a lease for under a year but it can be arranged.

I am American married to a beautiful argentine wife. We hope to move to Argentina in the next 4-5 years after I retire. I have traveled to the country extensively and I love it.
You of course must consider your visa options, taxation issues and the like. As far as politics Argentina makes the US political scene look like a kindergarten. Very complex and changing. Focus on being a good visitor and there are plenty opportunities to give and volunteer on the local level. Good luck.
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Gregg
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Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 8:08 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Wonderful suggestions on preparing and acclimating.

Strangely, I've worked in the call center business as an account manager and business development exec. I guess that's a possibility.

I was thinking about journalism as well; but then, I heard some stories about the 30th anniversary of Rodolfo Walsh's death and that journalism can still be a bit dicey, so... It can get you killed in the States, too.

Fortunately, I don't think we'll have to rely on our salaries to support us in toto. I may be better off starting or investing in a business rather than relying my current career skills! It might be a better way to integrate into the culture as well.

Appreciate your insights.
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Orlando Martinez
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Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 8:25 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

That`s right may be I went to far, I`ll try to stay calm when talking politics but to tell you the truth there is no reason to get mad anyway, is all about freedom of speech, that`s all.

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