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Robert Gisborn
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 10:57 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

The CIA is spending millions to build bases in Paraguay.
Why?
Could it be to stop a Muslim/Iranian 5th column?
Concerned that Paraguay will corner the supply of mate?
There is a Guarani plot to take over the free world?
or
Keep an eye a Brazil that may be be edging too far left for America's comfort?

Personally, I think they're trying to stop an Iranian plot to steal mate shrubs and use it in their nuclear program.

Oh, it could be to keep an eye on Brazil who just may be getting help with their nuclear program from-who knows where and seems to be moving left. But that's far fetched.

Brazil is a player and can pretty much call the shots in South America. I remember once when a Brazilian President was asked if his massive debt to the banks worried him. He answered: "No, but the banks should be worried."
Yes, we could have a Brazilian Chavez and that worries a lot of powerful people.

But worried about Paraguay itself-ah c'mon.
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Tom
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Post Number: 506
Registered: 6-2006


Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 7:40 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

the problem too many people who admire Chaves and his ilk is the fact they want to be a dictator.
Just like Castro.
Communism is almost always a one party system with one group of people running the country. When this happens minorites and those with opposing opinions are suppressed.
Chaves wants to be dictator of Venezuela.
He shuts down oppositon tv statons and other media outlets because he does not want to hear any opposing points of view.

Older Argentinians know what it is like to live under a dictator. I don't think they want to go back to that.

No matter how much I dislike any given president I know one thing. The most they will get is 8 years. Not a second more.
I like that.

WHY DO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN FREE COUNTRIES THAT DON'T HAVE DICTATORS LOVE DICTATORS.

From what I have read Chavez has done more outside his country than he has inside. Why, because he wants to be seen as a hero to outsiders.

FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS WITH TIME LIMITS PLACED AT LEAST ON THE CHEIF EXECUTIVE NO MATTER WHAT PARTY OR POINT OF VIEW OR RACE CREED OR COLOR.

Let all the people decide and when the leader does something someone doesn't like, let them be free to say it.

The problem with some Americans and others they think the USA, CIA and our military is the root of all evil.

My fater lost his leg in the first World War fighting in a foreign country to insure a foeign people remain free. My ancestors have fought in every war this nation has been in, Even the French and Indian war before we were a country.
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Tom
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Post Number: 507
Registered: 6-2006


Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 7:45 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

The CIA doesn't build bases. They have stations that someone else owns or builds.
The Army Corps of Engineers and Combat engineers build posts, camps and forts.
Navy seabees build bases.
The excesses of the CIA have been toned down for better or worse.
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James Guglielmino
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 10:15 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Your post is quite unclear, Tom...It seems that you are asserting that Chavez is a dictator. OBVIOUSLY, he isn't. He was elected. There was an effort to recall him and he defeated it...at the polls. He was then reelected. He has no political prisoners. I have seen no one accuse him of torturing, of disappearing people. You complain about his shutting down of television stations but those stations were advocating for overthrow of the legally elected Chavez. Just how long do you think an American televison station that advocated for the overthrow of our government whatever party it was, would be allowed to continue to broadcast?
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James Guglielmino
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 10:21 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I don't believe for half a second that the excesses of the CIA have been toned down. If you do, you are naive. There is some question as to whether or not we were involved in the coup in Honduras. We certainly did NOT support the legally elected leader who was ousted. There were also reports that we were involved in the recent Paraguay though I haven't seen any validation of that. Chavez, of course, asserted that it was the case but Chavez, though not a dictator, IS a blowhard.
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Tom
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 10:45 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I am not asserting anything about Chaves other than that he wants to be the leader for life of Venezuela. He has been trying to change the constitution of his country to allow him to do so. The last attempt failed at the polls.
I am not naive. The CIA has toned down. You have no clue at what they did in the good/bad old days. They still answer to a political appointee who at this time is a Democrat.
The stations closed by Chavez were voicing oppositon to the current leader, not overthowing the government.
Have you ever heard of FOX news?
You are assuming too much.
Both of your are obviously uninformed.
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Tom
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 10:48 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

My post is not unclear. What is it about "Chavez wants to be a dictator" do you not understand.
Wants to be means he has the desire.
Do you still not understand?
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Kirk Afshar
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 11:05 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

To some people whom ever want to do well for the poor and reform his country from Imperialist mainly US is a Dictator
So apposition is a proxy of Capitalist who wants only few to be Rich and the rest be their slave
Capitalism is New form of Slavery
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Robert Gisborn
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 11:45 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Kirk, I would plead with anyone who cares at all about justice and has the the most critical eye for evidence to watch the U-tube "Loose Change The Final Cut". It is the most carefully documented and researched documentary I ever watched. It takes about an hour and a half.
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James Guglielmino
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Post Number: 29
Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 9:07 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"My post is not unclear. What is it about "Chavez wants to be a dictator" "
THIS monstrosity of a sentence, Tom, is what was unclear. ("the problem too many people who admire Chaves and his ilk is the fact they want to be a dictator.")
It has been my understanding that English is your native language. Perhaps not. In any case, if you need help, I will be happy to assist. Try this: "The problem IS that too many people who admire CHAVEZ and his ilk do not understand that he wants to be dictator." More understandable, don't you think?
In any case, a LOT of people who head states WANT to be dictator...shrub Bush WANTED to be dictator. The laws of our country and Venezuela prevent that from happing...mostly....
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MIchael Calero
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Post Number: 161
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 10:11 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

It seem there are individuals who express hatered towards the USA, yet live in our sister country (or our,the USA) where their system is like ours. If one doesn't like a countries system why don't they just leave and stop complaining with hate. This world is big enough let's stop this hating and live in peace...
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Kirk A
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 10:29 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Michael Canada is neither Imperialistic and has a Universal health care for all which is a right of every human being and very citizen unlike US capitalistic system which only 45 companies running the country
Canada is multicultural country and no one blames a Muslims for 9/11 Canada has her own shortcoming but far better country to live in I lived most of my life in US and left now I live in peace . here crime is much less you dont get shot while walking to corner store and so on
But I am still thinking some day God willing move to Argentina best country in the World
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Kirk A
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 10:35 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

correction Every*
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Tom
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Post Number: 512
Registered: 6-2006


Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 1:58 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

My native language is English. If my grammer was not clear, thanks for the assist.
Chavez wants to be a dictator. Apparently you agree. Again thanks.
And yes, Bush wanted to be a dictator also. Can you imagine that.
When he was in office the most factual statement I heard was, some small town in Texas has lost their village idiot.
Unfortunately the US Secret Service wouldn't let the Texans have their man back.
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Tom
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 2:01 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Amen MIchael. A world without hate. That would be nice.
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Tom
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Post Number: 514
Registered: 6-2006


Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 2:19 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Hey Kirk. I have been to Canada. It is beautiful even though your bueracacy is unbelievably stupid. The poeople are friendly even if they don't know how to say about. It is spelled about, not aboot. Why is that so hard to understand.
I live in peace in the US. I think we should have universal health care but we don't. Maybe someday. But we do have the best drugs. We can buy them in Canada cheaper than we can here even thouth we invented and manufacture them. For that matter you can get them in Argentina even cheaper than Canada. I know from first hand experience.
My nephew lives in Canada. He likes it and says the health care systme is good even if sometimes you have to wait for it.
He told me a funny story I had not heard. Apparently the Russians were trying to bully the Canadians around claiming territorial waters belonging to Canadian. Sure enough, Uncle Sam told the Ruskies to back off. Of course they did.
To your south you have a country that buys your products under a free trade agreement, makes sure no one messess with you and smiles everytime Canadians show their jealuousy.
One other thing, your county is not good at paying their bills.
I have several friends who work for US compaines that helped put on the Vancouver Olympics. They are now having to go to arbitration to get paid. The Canadian compainies got paid but the American compaines didn't. And this is a kicker which I read a the Vancouver newspaper. Never in the History of the Olympics has the international Olympic committee had to loan money to the local committee until the 2010 Vancouver Olympics.
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Victor W.
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 2:59 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I use Nasonex, in the US $140 ... The very same in Argentina, made in the same factory... Same barcodes... About $30 ....
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Tom
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 8:14 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Victor, exactly
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Arial
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Post Number: 358
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 4:41 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Kirk, many are blaming capitalism. Powerful men put out that propaganda to convince people to accept government rule instead of free market. So they say "capitalism does not work."

The only people who believe that are people who do not know what capitalism it--and probably don't understand what socialism is either.

The United States was capitalist for more than a couple hundred years. But it was free market capitalism. There was never a more free country nor one that offered more individual opportunity. Little by little, over the years, that changed. It gradually became very socialist. Socialism provides the chance for people to get rich from theft and graft from the government (taxpayers). For that reason, things (like medical care in the U.S.) start to cost more. I could write a dissertation on that but I will spare you. Then . . . and people on this forum have argued this with me before . . . it began moving toward fascism.

The more socialist and the more fascist it has become, the less freedom, the more wealth is concentrated among a few, the more restrictions on small business so that only the big boys could function, until now things are changing seriously in the U.S. Many people--even those who live there--still don't understand it. But more are starting to understand now.

If you want freedom and equitable wealth distribution, you need free market capitalism. The government (or fascists) must stay out of it as much as possible except for what is necessary to keep things honest and safe--which is another whole discussion.

In the U. S., at one time, when we had free market capitalism, any poor boy who was willing to go into business and work hard could be rich. This is not true now. What you see in America now is closer to socialism and fascism (government by corporation) than free market capitalism. Big businesses have manipulated until there are enough regulations to keep that poor boy working for the big rich boys. It is done deliberately. This is exactly how a few get rich and the rest work for them.

When corporations get that kind of control, you are headed for fascism. What you see in the U.S. today is not true capitalism at all.
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Tom
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Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 7:41 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Arial, I have heard bull malarcky before but this is a good one.
Poor boys who are too stupid to do anything but work for someone else are rampent in this country. And a smart hard working poor boy can get ahead in so many ways here it sounds ludicrus and defatism if not a downright looser dialoge.
I was a poor farm boy from Kentucky that was given my fathers watch and old desk which I still have along with some good advice. Get an education, you can't get too much, it is one thing they can't take from you. I got a good education from good teachers and have never looked back except in thankfulness.
Poor boys are still going to school paid for in a free capitalist nation that believes in something that sounds a little like socialism, public schools.
Kentucky is a commonweath, an old English term for government. It means share the wealth. These are called taxes and they build roads, dams, so much that I don't want to even begin to list all the things the common wealth does for all Americans.
Socialism is a dirty word. Well, if Jesus were alive today he would be called a socialist.
He told us to take care of the earth, the poor, ourselves and to give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's meaning taxes. He told us a lot more stuff but this is not about religion.
It is about the common good for all. The big companies were little companies once run by small businessmen.
If one has a brain that is not full of propaganda from the far right or far left you can get along pretty dam good in this country even if you are a small businessman. I know a lot of them.
Seed money is a good thing that is not so hard to find. If you have the idea or are willing to work to come up with the money to do the same business that was someone else's idea you can make your small business a larger one.
While doing it the roads traveled on and the other necessities to be a small business men are being paid for by the common wealth.
In the Army we were taught that we should take care of our own. That is all that we are doing in this country to a small degree. We could do more.
Create some jobs by rebuilding the nations infrastructure is a good way to give that future small business man the seed money he needs from his hard work on the governments rebuilding program.
We either do this or more interstate bridges will fall down, dams will break, ok, ok, infrastructure will go back to nature.
This is all socialism. We are a free enterprise capitalist nation that has a lot of socialism about it. Seems to be working. We are considered the worlds only super power. Today.
But others who are copying some of our methods and building massive infrastructure are going to have to be considered members of our solo club.
Socialism is taking care of your own for the common good. Those poor boys fight our wars you know while the big businesses and small buinesses provide the necessary weapony, food, technology, etc. that is directly or indirectly needed.
Capitalism, socialism, hard work and the common good work well together.
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James Guglielmino
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Posted on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 7:55 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Arial, you are conflating socialism and fascism and YES, even capitalism. What a strange post. Pure capitalism has pretty much been demonstrated to not work. You DO recall, don't you, that Teddy Roosevelt broke up the monopolies? Those monopolies were the result of "pure capitalism." "Fascism is a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism." Socialism is "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole." Obviously, socialism won't work. People want to have the fruits of their work. Fascism is horrible. What you refer to as "pure capitalism" is no good, either. It results in a FEW ultra wealthy, a diminished middle class and a HUGE poverty class. What is needed is capitalism that is well regulated to control the excesses. We are NOT succeeding in doing that in the US right now.
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Tom
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Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 6:29 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Amen JG. It is nice to hear reason so succinctly said occasionally.
Two thumbs up.
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Tom
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Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 6:45 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Amen JG. It is nice to hear reason so succinctly said occasionally.
Two thumbs up.
I failed to proof read my prior post here. It is rampent with misspelled words and at least one instance of what should have been "businesman" instead of "business men". My apologies
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Robert Gisborn
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Post Number: 124
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Posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 9:25 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I think I can bring this thread back to Argentina. Empires and goverments come and go as do man's ideas for running them. But there are a people who someone once said will inherit the earth. Vanesa is one of those people. Little Vanesa is a three year old girl. She fell 75 feet into a well. Hours passed and finally a televion camera and microphone was passed down to Vanesa. When it reached Vanesa she could talk to her mama. She she said "Mami I want to go to my bed". Quickly, working against time, someone made a rope loop. Calmly, Vanesa's mom asked her 3 year old little girl to pass the loop under her arms. Vanesa said "yes Mami" and she did as instructed to do. After being in the cold black well six hours Vanesa was pulled 75 feet up and out of it. The little girl was not seriously injured and was happy to be out of the well. Her granma was asked if she was worried about Vanessa dying in the well. She said no. "I knew everything would come out good"
Empires come and go but people like Vanesa and her mom always survive, as they had long before all the empires of the western and eastern world, as they had long before pompous fools came from a great empire and "discovered" their nations.
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Tom
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 2:54 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

hmmm, I think the name of this thread is CIA/South America. Bring it back to Argentina?
There are many pompous fools who think they know it all but really haven't a clue.
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Robert Gisborn
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Post Number: 125
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 10:38 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Tom, I did bring it back to Argentina. This news story ignored by the selective search light of truth that the main media uses was passed over. But it says very much of what is important about Argentina and its people. It is a story of strength and courage far greater than any professed world power knows of.
Nations should be feared for the evils they do but these evils are just a screen for their weakness. This story of strength played out on the Argentine pampas is to be honored.
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Tom
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 2:16 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

honored?
It certainly is to be applauded.
Three year old children can comprehend many things.

The rescue of the trapped minors seems to me to be more complicated and heroic. The American who operated the drill rig could be honored I suppose.
Honor the minors for living undergound for so many days not knowing if they would come out alive.

I doubt the CIA had anything to do with either one of these events. Granted they both happened in South America.

Thread name. CIA/South America
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Arial
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Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 12:13 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Arial, I have heard bull malarcky before but this is a good one.

Tom, I hope that you notice that in all the years I have been posting on this forum I have always shown respect for the opinions of others. Including you! I sometimes get on these forums and I watch a couple of guys go at it, insulting each other for no good reason that I can see, and you guys remind me of a couple of buck deer in the woods clashing antlers. But I guess you are the same to women so it isn't that. What is the problem with courtesy?

I certainly know the difference between socialism, fascism, and capitalism. I wonder, Tom, how many years experience you have starting and operating businesses. I have quite a few. America is not what it used to be. What I wrote is absolutely accurate. If you think not, it is either because you have no knowledge in the area or you are living in a dream world. If you have plenty of money to comply with all the regulations, it is no problem of course. You have the advantage. If you do not, except for certain fields, you will not be able to do it. I am 73 years old. Fifty years ago and for quite a few years after, it was not like this. Things have changed very fast in America.

Of course there have to be some legal limitations. The big boys always want to stamp out competition, including young upstarts who will be competition if they succeed. Anti-trust and other laws that restrict that are important.

I also worked in Israel for a while with an R.N. from the U.K. She worked periodically with the Israeli government and we shared an apartment. I asked her how she evaluated their national medical care in the UK. She said, "It is legalized euthanasia." I was shocked. She told me many stories of people she saw, as a nurse, not being given care that could have saved them and being allowed to die. She herself nearly lost the use of her arm because she could not get treatment. An Israeli doctor rescued her from that fate through an agreement Israel has with the U.K. They repaired the damage (it had been from a car accident) in Israel and charged it back to the U.K. Otherwise she would not have been treated. Later, back in the U.S., I met several people who had come to the U.S. and paid for their own medical care because they could not get it in Canada.

The problem with socialism is twofold: graft, and the fact that people are not concerned about costs if taxpayers are paying. So many people get in on the take that the system can't support it. Medicare is socialism. My mother lived with me for 12 years and I saw the plunder of Medicare throughout that time. There is no way to stop it. And now Medicare is broke!

I live in Argentina. Argentine friends are surprised that I insist on paying for private medical care. They tell me the free care is good. I explain that I know it, but I also know what socialism does to a country. Because I care about Argentina and I can pay, I do. In my opinion, it is not right to rob tax payers to pay for my medical care, even if I can get the government to do it for me.
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James Guglielmino
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Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 10:12 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

"I certainly know the difference between socialism, fascism, and capitalism. I wonder, Tom, how many years experience you have starting and operating businesses. "

If you REALLY DO know the difference between Socialism, Fascism and capitalism, Ariel, you haven't demonstrated that. Your post merged all three, as I pointed out to you and you ignored.
You are my age, I will be 70 in late December. From the time I became sentient around 1950 until around 2004, I NEVER imagined that I would EVER have to consider the fact that the leaders of MY nation had perpetrated TORTURE on other human beings. You are right. Things have changed but you focus on the WRONG things that have changed.

"If you think not, it is either because you have no knowledge in the area or you are living in a dream world."

It always amuses me to see a poster make a case for courtesy and in the next sentence tell the other person that he/she has no knowledge....or is living in a dream world.

"I asked her how she evaluated their national medical care in the UK. She said, "It is legalized euthanasia."

What a bunch of garbage. While the British system is NOT the model we should choose for our own national medical care system, it is FAR better than our own, where between 35 and 50 million people go without any health care and our corporations that supposedly provide health care insurance employ people with "MD" behind their names for six figure salaries to sit behind a desk and find new an innovative ways to deny claims. Our health care, as judged by World Health Care is 37th in the world, BEHING such large and wealthy nations as Costa Rica and Dominica. The best is the French system. Canada is 30th. The US spends TWICE what western European nations spend per person for health care to get HALF the quality....again, W.H.O. says that in its study. The politicization of health care has been one of the most despicable acts of the Republicans in the history of that Party.

"The problem with socialism is twofold: graft, and the fact that people are not concerned about costs if taxpayers are paying."
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The problem with unfettered capitalism is far more than twofold but start with greedy corporations making their CEO's ultra wealthy at the expense of the individual person and the fact that the massive power of these corporations makes them immune to efforts to reform them. The cost of administration of Medicare is in the low single digit numbers. The cost of administration of the corporate plans is over 20%. How do you explain that, Arial? You are a victim of the propaganda of the insurance companies.
The very best health care is provided by a foundation that provides for a single payer provider that IS the government and a supplementary policy that a person may buy. But at its worst, pure Medicare provides parameters for people to look at and follow and instead of someone sitting behind a desk looking for reasons to deny claims, there is a menu that anyone who can read can use. If THAT is Socialism, I will take it rather than the corporate thieves who would as soon see me DEAD as provide health care. Your anecdotal experience is nothing but bull. *I* have had plenty of anecdotal experience dealing with corporate health care and if you want to have your hair stand on end, just ask me about it.
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Robert Gisborn
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Posted on Saturday, November 27, 2010 - 1:57 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

All states are mandated to act in the best interests of all their citizens. Had states not done so we would not have eliminated polio and small pox. The fact that one can privately acquire better health care than through a tax financed system is not an argument against either.
A socially irresponsible attitude of very wealthy in a society where a large part of the population is living on the edge of survival is bad for all.
Your taxes pay for your police and courts. Is that socialism? If not, than why are the taxes paid for medical care socialism? You want the tax payers to protect your wealth but not public health?
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Tom
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Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 4:18 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Arial, I apologize for being rude.

I have been a small businessman most all of my adult life.

I am a disabled American Army veteran, service connected. I get the best medical care offered in the world through the VA.

I don't like seeing anyone suffer from hunger, poor medical sevices, homelessness, any thing that is bad for people, animals or the planet.

The good samaritan is the only role model to follow. Greed and corruption suck.
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Tom
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Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 4:22 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Robert, good post.
The problem with this world there are too many labels.

Liberal, conservative, socialist, communist, capitalist on and on.

Freedom is the key to all good things.
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Robert Gisborn
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Post Number: 130
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Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2010 - 9:16 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

By the way, thanks to Wikileaks we now know why the CIA is in Paraguay. This from Clarin:
"la existencia de yacimientos de hidrocarburos en la región del Chaco paraguayo, el narcotráfico y la construcción de mezquitas en el país"."
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Roberto
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Posted on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 1:22 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

I'd like to ask everyone to be nice... it hurts me to see members going at each other. We can still disagree *without the attitude*.

Remember, we all have something valuable we can share. And someone else's opinion is as important and valuable as our own. Our ideas is all we have!

And would also like to comment... I think I see what Arial refers to. Back in 1991 I went to live to a small town in north Mississippi. So small that it was not on any corporations' radars. However, by the time I left 5 years later, the main avenue had been widened in spite of environmentalists complaining about trees being cut, old James food store was gone, Chaney's pharmacy had now to compete with Walgreens and there was even a Walmart super center being built. I was sad to see some co-ops disappeared, and even sadder to see the only vegetarian restaurant close doors. A lot of smaller businesses were hurt when the cavalry arrived. And they never came to save the white man. They came to make it for themselves, regardless.

Familiar faces working in familiar stores were replaced by inconsequential workers that could care less about visitors but their bi-weekly paychecks. Friends moved to even smaller towns seeking the protection of tiny markets where national chains couldn't profit from. In all, the cozy atmosphere of the old town was almost entirely gone, replaced by a corporate colder outlook. And when I finally left I had the feeling that Oxford was probably not much different than Haines, Alaska. Or any other average american town.

These days, working as a webmaster I can firmly say that what has been happening in the brick-and-mortar world in regards to corporations taking over, has started to migrate to the online world very rapidly and very aggressively and I cannot describe how much of a devastation has been for the smaller entrepreneur. Online, has also now become the playground for big boys.

In spite of this, I refuse to believe that opportunities are no more. I prefer to think that there must be a new market rising somewhere, where big multinationals will once again be blindsided so that us, the little guy, could move in agile and fast. And that a new gold rush will just as likely emerge. These thoughts keep me busy and for now help avert depression.

@ James
I think you and Arial actually agree about the present state of affairs of the american economy. Whatever type of capitalism that may be. Don't let words obscure the facts!

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James Guglielmino
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Post Number: 32
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Posted on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 8:56 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

Roberto, I need to point out to you that the term "tree huggers" is pejorative and disliked immensely by environmentalists as well as people, like me, who *sometimes* admire and support (from a distance) the movements to preserve environment. I'm sure you noticed my "laugh" at Arial, for "gigging" one poster while asking for decency. That seems to apply to your own post and although you own the list, we are, I assume, your honored guests, and get to criticize you if it seems merited:-)

Your observation that Arial and I really agree is something that I have considered too. My objection is to the dogmatism of her comments, especially regarding the providing of health care.
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Roberto
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Posted on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 1:33 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

James, it wasn't my intention but I see your point and I understand. The term was used in the local newspaper at the time, but then the editors may have been biased. My apologies to anyone who took offense.
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James Guglielmino
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Posted on Monday, November 29, 2010 - 1:46 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Roberto, I know there was no intention. I was kidding you as much as making a serious observation. As is always the case, your response is reasonable, logical and gentle. It really is such a pleasure to know you as much as one is able on list.
Gug
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Tom
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Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 6:54 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

I am an environmentalist. I am a tree hugger. A rose by any other name smells the same.

If you are a Christian you know it is your and my job to be stewards of the world God gave us.

If you are not then you need to learn what we breath, oxygen, what we have to have to live, is made by trees. go figure
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Robert Gisborn
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Post Number: 133
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Posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 - 6:55 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

We can take this thread back home with this link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/america_latina/2010/05/100517_2308_triple_frontera_pelicula_polemica_jg.shtml

I don't want to denegrate a beautiful tourist site or the hard working natives of this triple border. By all means, if you have a chance, visit the area. I have no idea if this is the Islamic terrorist financing hub of the paranoidal phantasies of the CIA. I will say this. If anyone, CIA,tourist or movie production company leaves the protected tourist areas then it will soon be discovered why this area was named the Green Hell by the Spaniards.

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Roberto
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Posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 - 7:16 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

The "triple frontera" issue has been knwon for a while and has been mentioned in this forum a few times. More undercover agents than real habitants.

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Robert Gisborn
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Post Number: 134
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Posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 - 9:11 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

that's funny-but true.
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Roberto
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Posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 - 11:38 pm:   Edit PostPrint Post

Chris tried to publish the below message a while back... I still can't make the "reply by email" feature work so I am copying the message he intented to publish. Hope this is ok with you Chris...

There is lots of speculation on those bases on the web.

Perhaps it's to keep an eye on the supposed Hamas & Hezbollah training facilities?

Perhaps it's to keep an eye on the German strongholds / colonies?

Perhaps it's just a country willing to look the other way and let the base do it's thing; being centrally located it's a good spot for reaching anywhere in South America for example.
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Robert Gisborn
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Post Number: 135
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Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 3:32 am:   Edit PostPrint Post

There are some beautiful tourist sites in this area but if these spooks intend to get into the bush they'll be sorry. This is not only chagas country it is home to parasites and bugs that eat you from the inside out. But that's the bright side. There's the weather. Months of dry burning hot sun followed by months of deluge, mud and floods. Do you remember that calypso song "in the big bunch of ripe bananas hides the deadly black torantula.."
This is the home of that spider, the deadliest scorpians and the biggest badest centipedes-then there are fer de lances, anacondas and pirannas but you get the idea. As I said, it's known as the green hell.

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