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     Zander New member Username: Xanpatagon Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2007 |
Hello, I need to bring several things down to Argentina. Not a houseload (got rid of that last summer), but perhaps a little more than the size of a coat closet. Can anyone tell me of their good experience with a shipper? The contents need to shipped from Portland, Oregon to BA, clear customs in BA, and be received in Bariloche, hopefully without my intervention. (That is unless they can come across from Chile...that would be closer.) Any advice is welcome. Thanks | ||
| Roberto Board Administrator Username: Admin Post Number: 1588 Registered: 12-2004 |
Going off on a tangent... did you check to see if there is a local gazette for the argentine community in Portland? There may be classifieds of specialized moving companies. In Miami, the local argentine gazette has at least 3 different companies advertising their door-to-door services. But the argentine community in Miami is fairly large... | ||
| Bill Howard Junior Member Username: Veritas01 Post Number: 46 Registered: 5-2006 |
No personal experience however a publication in the New York area for Argentines lists the following company. Di Paola's Shipping. Specializing in shipping to Argentina. Here is the New York numbers. They have a New Jersey and Toronto office as well. (347) 645-5822 and (718) 397-0960. I think in your case you will need to use some type of domestic shipping to New York or Miami and then ship from there to Argentina. Not sure if they speak English but presumably they do. There is a very large Argentine community in New York / New Jersey so these guys must have experience in customs, etc. They will have to arrange for an Argentine domestic carrier to ship to Bariloche from BA I suspect. This will probably wind up being an expensive proposition so consider buying new or used in Argentina especially if this is not a permanent move. Good luck with this. Worth a try. I will go through some of the other Argentine/American publications and see if I can find other shipping company listings. Good luck. | ||
| Zander New member Username: Xanpatagon Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2007 |
Hello Roberto and Bill, Thanks for the advice...I'll follow up on it. I have a friend with an Argentine neighbor in Portland...perhaps he knows of a shipper. This is a permanent move. There are a few things I have in the US that do not exist here, at any price. It is just those that I need to get here. Bill, does your handle "veritas01" have anything to do with Dr. David Hawkins? His teachings are amazing. | ||
| WTMendoza.com Intermediate Member Username: Welcometomendoza Post Number: 183 Registered: 7-2007  |
Hi Zander - I would avoid BA customs at all costs - I would also start reversed by connecting with at least 3 customs brokers in Bariloche, whom I am sure will advise you to route it through Santiago Chile or another Chilean port, if there is one, then over the mountains into Argentina. Hopefully you have your residential visa so that you save the harsh taxes that will be imposed such a shipment. If your run into dead ends send me a PM and I'll put you in touch with a quality Mendoza customs broker who speaks perfect English and can probably reccomend you a method. Again, if you route it through BA customs, you are asking for delays, expenses, and trouble...cheers | ||
| Zander New member Username: Xanpatagon Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2007 |
Yes, I understand....it probably takes bribes to get it through BA customs...even though I now have my permanent residence. The closest Chilean port to Bariloche is Puerto Montt. It is not very big, but it is growing fast, and eventually I believe is going to bring Asian goods into Argentine Patagonia. much better than going through the Panama Canal. I will try to find a customs broker in Bariloche...can you tell me what that is called in Spanish? If this is possible, it would be a great option. And, yes, I would like to have the contact info for your broker in Mendoza. He may know a broker in Bariloche, or perhaps he is the best person to do this himself. Thanks again. I'm off to Chile until after Easter and will check back in then. Look at this.... http://www.parquepumalin.cl/content/index.htm | ||
| WTMendoza.com Intermediate Member Username: Welcometomendoza Post Number: 184 Registered: 7-2007 |
Hi Zander - I sent you the data. That park in looks very cool - I look forward to visiting it sometime in 08/09 - cheers | ||
| Valentine Michael Smith New member Username: Vmsmith Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2008 |
I moved to Argentina a little over a year ago and shipped my entire household. It was something like 12,000 pounds in a 20-foot container. I had absolutely no problems with customs or anything else. What you want is a shipper who meets some or all of the following criteria: 1. ISO 9000/1/2 certified 2. Member of FIDI (http://www.fidi.com/) 3. RIM (Registered International Mover) certified Normally, that will lead you to a large company that has local shipping agents in your point of origin and point of destination. In my case, I used Atlas Van Lines International, 9750 Third Ave. NE, Suite 200, Seattle, WA 98115. Their local agent in Argentina was Argenmove, which is the local company the U.S. Department of State uses, too. The move was flawless from start to finish. Nothing lost, nothing damaged, and all estimates essentially accurate. There were absolutely no problems with customs at this end. I had my temporary residency papers, and customs did a cursory check of one of the boxes then assessed the entire shipment at $15,000 pesos. At that point, I had to find an insurance guaranteor to cover me until my residency becomes permanent, and Argenmove helped me do that. The guy who was my point of contact at Atlas was Matthew Hagenah. His contact info is: PH# 888-338-9875 PH# 206-436-0161 FX# 206-971-3826 E-Mail: mhagenah@atlasintl.com If you want to talk to Argenmove (which I encourage), the points of contact are Daniel or Noelia Oviedo. They both speak flawless English. The e-mail address is argenmove@argenmove.com.ar (put "For Daniel Oviedo" is the subject line). The website is http://www.argenmove.com.ar By the way, once my stuff arrived here, I put it in storage for four months with Argenmove, and there were no problems during or after. Good luck. | ||
| WTMendoza.com Intermediate Member Username: Welcometomendoza Post Number: 189 Registered: 7-2007 |
Hi Valentine, Thanks for posting this - was this to BA? What was the landed cost for that 20 footer? you know..all costs from door to door? thanks | ||
| Valentine Michael Smith New member Username: Vmsmith Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2008 |
The total door-to-door cost from the U.S. to Buenos Aires was about USD $14,000. This included: -Packing out in the U.S. -Repacking into a shipping van -Moving the shipping van to the port and U.S. port fees -Shipping from the U.S. to Buenos Aires -Port fees in Buenos Aires -Four months of storage -Delivery, unpacking, and removal of all waste from my apartment VMS | ||
| WTMendoza.com Intermediate Member Username: Welcometomendoza Post Number: 191 Registered: 7-2007 |
how much was that storage? A recent example of a 20 footer from San Diego, California to Mendoza, thrugh Santiago, Chile was under $7000 USD final cost. The quoted amount was about $6200USD I realize tha this routing is not the same as yours, on neither end, but the general direction is roughly the same. What city did you ship from? I suspect that the most complaints one will hear about BA, are the siuations involving last minute surprise costs, etc...which tend to lend to delays in the shipments, customs, becuase of delays in decision making by the cusomer who ha been presented by these last minute costs. Also, I hear consistently that BA customs are slow moving..creating more complaints...how long did it take to clear the shipment? Although i know this may have not been a factor for you since you were not intersted in having the shipment at your door right away. | ||
| Valentine Michael Smith New member Username: Vmsmith Post Number: 3 Registered: 3-2008 |
I shipped from Baltimore. The fact of the 20-foot container was not the long pole in the tent in computing costs; weight was. My container was absolutely jam-packed, and I didn't get the total cost until they had weighed it. That cost was just over USD $1 per pound. There were no hold ups at all at customs in Buenos Aires. The ship arrived on whatever day it was and two days later I was unloading my stuff in storage. I attribute that to the complete professionalism and competence of Argenmove. Those people were great. I don't remember off the top of my head how much the storage fees were. If you have some fraction of a 20-foot container, you should make sure to ask about using "lift vans." A lift van is a wooden containers, five of which fit into a 20-foot container. They look something like this... http://www.woodenpackaging.co.uk/BudgetLiftVan1.JP G A good moving company will give you the option of using a lift van instead of an entire 20-foot container. | ||
| WTMendoza.com Intermediate Member Username: Welcometomendoza Post Number: 208 Registered: 7-2007 |
Hi Valentine, okay you used a moving company and I was talking about a shipping company...two different things and sorry I didn't clarify. The shipping companies only charge by space, not by weight, unless your 20 foot container exceeds way over 10,000 kilos....so your 6300 kilo container probably cost your moving company somewhere in the areas of 5 to 7 K USD. The rest was the packing and consolidated shipping...they came into your home and hand packed each plate, etc...and insured it for you using their system ,etc.... People I know have packed it themselves, hired their own transit company to ship it to the Shipping company's port, interacting with customs broker on the Argentine end, etc...resulting in much lower charges... Two different situations for two different kinds of circumstances...Some people want this..eveything handled from A to Z, like you did...I would do in a heartbeat if I could afford it. Thanks for helping to clarify this... Just to reiterate, if anyone is shipping to western Argentina, I strongly encourage shipping through Chile and clearing customs in a western Argentine city and not BA. | ||
| Valentine Michael Smith New member Username: Vmsmith Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2008  |
One other point of clarification... My total costs included insurance. As we have spent years collecting our rugs, art, and furniture, we insured the entire thing for a hefty amount. And my point is not that the insurance premium was so high, but it's hard to get insurance if you don't have a professional moving company doing the pack out at origin and unpacking as destination. In my case, our head company, Atlas International, and its two local movers had such solid reputations that the insurance company gave them -- and me -- a real break on how long they would let me keep the insurance umbrella while it was all in storage. Normally insured storage lasts something like 45 or 60 days, but in my case they allowed an extension to 120 days based on the working relationship with Atlas. I know this because I saw the faxed letter. Just another thing to consider if you decide to ship the entire thing yourself. | ||
| Zander New member Username: Xanpatagon Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2007 |
I just called Atlas in Seattle and they will be giving me a quote. I won't be in the US to ship from there so someone is going to have to handle that end. The idea is to bring it in through Chile as there is a local customs office in Bariloche and that would avoid any potential mess in Buenos Aires. Likely all will fit in 7x7x4 container and less than 1000 pounds. All else I got rid of last summer when I was in the US. |
